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8/10
Stoic and Intense
bkoganbing20 April 2009
Edward James Olmos both directs and stars in American Me with a mostly Latino cast which depicts a Chicano life influenced both by circumstances and bad choices. The story with a prologue depicting his parents during the Zoot suit riots during World War II right up to almost the present time. Olmos plays a gang leader and we see his rise and fall in the criminal profession which starts with an arrest as a juvenile.

It's a stoic and intense portrayal that Olmos gives to his own direction. Olmos did his own research for the part, but more than that he lived it being born and growing up in the Mexican American area of East Los Angeles.

In the story Olmos and his two running buddies, William Forsythe and Pepe Serna while in prison found a Mexican American gang, La Primavera and in prison they pretty much are the Latino inmate population. As they gradually finish their sentences and are released the gang takes it shape and control of various rackets in the Barrio. Of course they also have to deal with other gangs, black gangs, Aryan Brotherhood, and some rival Chicano crews. That last sets in motion the downfall of Olmos.

The story is narrated in flashback by Olmos writing a letter to his younger brother while he's back in prison. It's a mournful plea for the kid not to make the same choices he did. American Me is a very good film, the personal project of a very talented man.
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8/10
Powerful Prison Scenes
lowdown196320004 February 2004
American Me was the first film to paint an accurate picture of what it can like in America's prison system. Most films in this genre have a Hollywoodized portrayal of live behind bars. Olmos's tale of latino gang life in and outside of prison is right on the mark. This is a good film to show to all those would be gangbangers out there that think prison is cool.
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8/10
American Me. Thumbs up!
bambinogizmo25 March 2005
I seen this film when it first came out, back in 92 on VHS. The film stuck in my mind since-there have not been many films like it to date.

Edward James Olmos is magnificent as actor and director. You may not have seen him in many films but he does have a quality about him that casts him perfectly in the principal role of gang leader / drug cartel.

If you like prison films this is one of the best. It hasn't got too many clichés and avoids being overtly pretentious.

William Forsythe is great as Edward James Olmos's buddy and as he-Forsythe-usually does when acting (doesn't try to overact or steal any scenes) he just does the business and blends in as his character engrossing you into the film giving it a more realistic depiction of the setting.

Many prison films usually fit the same formula, showing you the in's and out's, morals and stereotypes usually associated with prison films. American ME just gets right into it and takes you along without preaching those usual morals and overdone cliché characters. This film is on a par with BLOOD IN BLOOD OUT. Check it out!
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the greatest description of gang and prison life
Kwyzybo-212 February 2004
this had the right amount of story, realism, and a great ending. people say it's too violent, but it's a prison movie it has to be violent, because prison is not sweet. Edward James Olmos is not only brave for doing this movie with actual prisoners and gang members, but he was great at depicting what happens to people when they get involved in a gang and do not do what the gang leader says, because when they tell you to kill someone, that person is going to get killed. either he goes down by your hands, or you end up getting killed with him. one of my favorite movies, i give it a 10/10
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7/10
A Chicano classic
rigovega17 February 2019
American Me is now a Chicano Classic about gangs and prison life. Edward James Olmos plays the role of Santana, an inmate who becomes a leader in and out of prison. With a great supporting cast and soundtrack, the film tells a dramatic story without getting too preachy. One of Edward James Olmos best roles to this day.
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9/10
Dark, brutal, and powerful
contronatura21 February 2000
A film that explores the criminal lifestyle in a remarkably brutal and cynical fashion, American Me is the stunningly assured directing debut of Edward James Olmos. Olmos also stars, and gives a terrific performance. Even better is William Forsythe as his lifelong friend and right hand man. This film features some of the most unflinching moments of violence I've seen in a mainstream American film. The violence isn't necessarily graphic, but you generally get the idea. One scene involving a brutal gang rape has deservedly achieved notoriety, and yet it doesn't seem gratuitous. It works within the confines of the story. Olmos should be applauded for this achievement, and it's a shame that this film is overshadowed by other gangster films. It belongs right up there with them.
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7/10
Sincere gangster movie
SnoopyStyle22 October 2014
Montoya Santana (Edward James Olmos) is in prison as he recalls his life. His parents were zoot-suiters beaten by regular society. Her mother is raped by soldiers and Montoya is 16 years old 16 years later. He starts a gang with his friends J.D. and Mundo. During a break-in, J.D. is shot and the guys are thrown into juvenile hall. Santana kills his rapists on the first night. It earns him lots of respect and also a stay in Folsom State Prison once he turns 18. In Folsom, Santana (now played by Olmos), J.D. (William Forsythe) and Mundo (Pepe Serna) have a powerful gang called La Eme. They are ruthless. They use their power inside the prisons to leverage expansion once they are on the outside. Santana eventually has a change of heart.

There is a nice sense of realism. It helps that the movie is inspired by some real people. It's not glossy. It doesn't glamorize the thug life but it's also not that gritty. Olmos has a quiet demeanor which does take away some of the energy. This is not some fun gangster movie or necessarily a scary prison movie. Edward James Olmos as a director is relying more on a simplistic style. He doesn't have the skills to make this cinematic. It feels sincere. It feels familiar.
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9/10
Intense Disturbing and Underrated Film
tmcclus24 November 2005
"American Me" is arguably the most significant film not discussed in the same breath with crime epics such as "The Godfather." It was clearly made, both consciously and perhaps subconsciously to be the Mexican Godfather film and that is hardly a bad thing. Its honesty regarding the emotional costs of violence and murder are on par with that film. I don't know what to say to anyone who critiques Edward James Olmos. First, this actor's capacity to convey a complicated range of emotions without words is absolutely staggering and has been seen to great effect in many great films including "Blade Runner." Additionally, he is inarguably the premiere Latino / Chicano filmmaker and actor of all time. If you look at the films he has been involved with, think about how they have dominated the way Hispanic people, Mexicans in particular, have been seen by others who would, largely, not even know of the experiences of their neighbors. "American Me" is so unflinching that, after seeing it, I had to see it again to believe it was actually made by or released by a major studio. Once upon a time studio films featured honest portraits of life but rarely any more. "American Me" tho hardly the knee-slapping comedy some reviewer wanted or expected, conveys an honest sense of the life lived by many without the hope of education or prosperity but with the same need for respect and something bigger than themselves to believe in that you or anyone else has and lives their life by. If you want to see a life perhaps very different than yours depicted with uncommon honesty, watch this film.
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6/10
Surprisingly Realistic
Erik_Stone31 July 2021
The portrayal of prison gangs in the 90's is not that different to how today's gangs work. Some things don't change much. Prison bars have gone by the wayside.

It was a pretty well done movie with a very rare insight into the topic it covers. However, it drags in some parts, and the parts with the female characters were weak.
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10/10
Excellent directorial debut from Edward James Olmos.
Captain_Couth22 June 2004
American Me (1992) was the directing debut of long time character actor Edward James Olmos. This film is a historical fiction depiction of the rise of La Emme, The Mexican Mafia. The movie follows the lives of three street gang members who by a sad twist of fate end up in Juvenille Hall. From there they graduate to the big time. Folsom Prison. Inside the walls of Folsom, the three form the most powerful gang inside the California Penal System.

Olmos turns the story into a Shakespherian tragedy. A story about a dangerous cycle that repeats over and over within certain communities and how the lack of education can be dangerous. Like they say, an idle mind is the devil's playground. Many of these characters had too much "idle time" before they hit rock bottom. Olmos' direction, editing and use of lighting is that of a long time film-maker. The cinematography complements his directorial style. He makes these figures into noble persons who live and die by a code forged from blood, shanks and sweat. Great stuff from Mr. Olmos, a true masterpiece from a first time director.

Sadly, Mr. Olmos has took a lot of flack for this film and has made some powerful people very angry. If I were him I would have taken a safer route and gave the prison gangs some fake names and cut all ties to any "Technical Support" but that's not his style. He should be commended for his efforts because others wouldn't have the courage or conviction to do this. Mr. Olmos doesn't glamorize the lifestyle either. Although they're men of honor amongst themselves I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. But what people have to do to stay alive in prison should not be looked down upon and on the other hand, when one's on the outside they should leave what they learned within the prison walls. Because it's a whole different ball game out here.

Highly recommended.
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6/10
El Eme and her Victims
view_and_review7 April 2020
Gang and 'hood violence was a popular topic in the late 80's/early 90's. There were movies like "Colors," "Boyz in the Hood," "South Central," "Menace to Society," and others. There were even the movies that dealt with other topics but had a heavy gang influence like "Lean on Me," "The George McKenna Story," and others. "American Me" was the same story from a Mexican-American perspective.

The lead character was Montoya Santana (Edward James Olmos). At an early age he became a shot caller for the Mexican Mafia along with his homies J.D. (William Forsythe) and Mundo (Pepe Serna). Through Santana's narration of his life we saw just how disciplined, vicious, and hopeless gang life is. The heights he achieved in which he was the man, he was still just a boss in prison. He ran Folsom Prison. How about bragging about that to your parents?

All gangs, no matter how much turf they can claim, don't even own the turf they're fighting and dying for. They quite literally have no ownership of one pebble they claim, yet claim they do and kill they do. They either kill via the gun or the drugs they sell for more guns. It's a horrible cycle of prison, violence, and death. Santana finally realized the futility of it all, but what could he do to stop the beast he helped create?
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9/10
Watch this movie!!
VCRanger23 April 1999
American Me tells the story about the creation of one of the biggest hispanic gangs in California, the Mexican Mafia. It tells the story from the viewpoint of Santana, the co-creator of the gang, from his parents violent youth all the way to the time he spends in prison. An enthralling look at gang violence and how it effects our youth as it becomes a truly vicious cycle. Outstanding performances by James-Olmos and Forsythe really lend credit to the movie. There are some moments of extreme violence, so it may not be suitable for all people. A rating of 9 out of 10 was given.
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6/10
Rough, tough, believable - but neither entertainment or education.
Pedro_H10 October 2004
Social history of the Mexican gang-banger set in East LA.

What does "inspired by a true story" mean? Most things on TV and in the cinema are inspired by true stories or glued together true stories; or even what-if true stories. Films are either true (allowing for cinematic license and internal time constraints) or they are not!

This does, indeed, tell lots of truths. But they were truths I already knew: Prison is hell. Rough ethnic neighbourhoods are run by gangsters. Drugs are the only way to live beyond hand-to-mouth when you have no education. The unseen ties that bind. I could go on a while, but I won't.

But is "entertainment" the right way to explore this? Wouldn't documentary deliver more punches per minute? Is there not a danger of even making "the life" look a bit glamorous? Despite everything you can throw at the audience? I mean what have these people to lose - a life tossing burgers or working fields?

I have a theory about gangs. They are what the whole world would be like without law and order, indeed they thrive where law and order is at its weakest. You won't break them because they make sense, they offer comradeship, leadership and employment. Sorry if I am making them sound a good thing - but they serve a purpose like hard drugs do. Acknowledge it or not.

The film works hard not to glamorise crime and its shows the victims too (so better than the Godfather in that respect), but it is a film born in to bondage. People are on a track without crossroads or even slip-roads. "No hope" is written across their foreheads. They plod their path like lambs to the slaughter.

To be the boss in the Mexican underworld you have to be vicious, you have to blackmail, rob, kill; and indeed risk being killed yourself. You have to sell your soul and become a cold robot without true human feelings.

I thank the producers for showing me a piece of the world I will never visit, but what have I learned that is going to change my life? Most people that are in prison deserve to be there - they are there because they are criminals convicted by courts on evidence. How can I "feel for them"?

While it stays away from siding with the guilty, this only results in it being cold and moody. It left me outside, when all good movies (of whatever intention) bring me inside the tent rather than a freezing outside.

A brave try, Snr. Almos, and probably as good as you could do given the severe limits of the people under the microscope and the subject matter. You now know what most actors seek to learn: Yes you can direct, but you are actually only average at it.
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2/10
Directed like a TV movie
MovieCriticOnline25 July 2020
Besides the violence it pretty much felt like it was directed like a made for TV movie and there were several scenes and moments totally ripped off from the Godfather, which I think every director who makes a gangster film tries to mimic. Like the montages of the murders cutting back and forth.

It was also too slow. There was a prison montage showing how they smuggle in contraband which totally slowed things down and should have been moved to the opening scene to set the stage.

There was too much focus on his love life and no real protagonist and it was scattered with random little stories that hardly went anywhere and too much meandering.

Finally, Edward James Olmos played it too slow and low key, but it came off phony. Normally I would give it one star if I don't like it, but the two stars is for shooting in an actual prison to show some authenticity.
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Edward James Olmos Triumphs Again
soranno22 October 2002
"American Me" stands on a course with "Stand And Deliver" among the finest performances by the ever talented Edward James Olmos. Other than starring in this film, Olmos also supplies the direction for this brutal and sometimes disturbing to watch prison and street drama. The story has to do with a well respected gang leader (Olmos) who is released from prison and tries to go straight but his many years of experience among leading street gangs comes back to haunt him. Olmos is highly effective in the role. The film may not be for all tastes but if you are a fan of Olmos or of the genre, it is highly recommended.
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7/10
The Mexican Mafia.
poodogg123 October 2005
I saw this movie a couple of days ago. It was a chilling and shocking tale of a society that I frequently visited in my life. I treaded on the turf of East Los Angeles practically everyday for three years. The Zoot Suit riots, the drug circulation, the violence is all real. Hot summer days, cold winter nights. They had an Asian population over there whom I met on a phone-based chat service. The movie American Me was to me violence Mexican Mafia style. The Italian movies differ, while their scenes are more dramatical. I believe that the action in American Me was in a sense, more raw. I could actually say that a Mexican is three races combined. Spanish, French, and Italian.
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8/10
Underrated Gem in the Gangster Genre
RobSac26 January 2015
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This movie needs a month long run on HBO or Showtime, to remind people of how good it is, and hopefully create a buzz that would lead to a bluray release. Anyone with a remote appreciation of a terrific screenplay, solid acting, and neo-realistic direction would have to love this movie.

Edward James Olmos directs, and stars as main character Santana Montoya. Santana's parents are victims of a brutal and disturbing attack during Los Angeles's "Zoot Suit Riots" in the 1940s which sets the tone for Santana's power driven and violent life.

A childhood of gang activity in East Los Angeles eventually lands Santana in Folsom State Prison, where in the 1960s he starts La Eme, otherwise known as the Mexican Mafia. The gang controls all illicit commerce inside of the prison walls, from drugs to prostitution.

While paroled in the early 1970s, Santana meets Julie (Evalina Fernandez). Julie, who's aware of Santana's high profile in the criminal world, and is resentful of it for the most part, falls for him when she learns that while in prison he'd studied and read books about the Chicano political movement. Santana's childhood friend and fellow gangster, JD (William Forsythe), also a member of La Eme despite being white, is skeptical of Santana's relationship with Julie, and believes Julie's pacifist politics are rubbing off on Santana, which would make La Eme look weak in the gang world.

When Julie's cousin, "Little Puppet" (Daniel Villareal) commits a major infraction within La Eme's rules, Santana is given an ultimatum by JD to either endorse a gang hit on Little Puppet, or risk that his leadership of the gang would come into question, likely resulting in his own death. A series of incidents, including a drug overdose and a bizarre end to a date between Santana and Julia, put the two at odds, which leaves Santana at a crossroads of maintaining his gang status (and his life), or trying to salvage what little remains of his relationship with the only woman he'd ever loved. What results is both riveting and sad, and, as intended by Edward James Olmos, leaves a message about Chicano gang life in Los Angeles.

Enough controversy surrounded the movie to make another movie about in and of itself. In fact, the DVD has a documentary included in the special features called "Lives in Hazard", which goes into further detail, while also giving terrific insight to the streets of East Los Angeles in the early 1990s, including interviews with real gang members who were used as consultants and actors.

This one has fallen through the cracks, and it shouldn't have. It has a story, dialogue, and even great cinematography (which effectively captures downtown and East Los Angeles during three different eras in history) that help the film hold up twenty plus years after its release.
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7/10
Decent, but not really memorable
Agent1024 June 2002
Edward James Olmos had one of his best roles in this encompassing the violent nature of a Mexican criminal. While I always felt the violence was a little over-stylized, this proved to be one of the darkest Mexican films ever churned out by Hollywood. While it did have its problems, Olmos' performance, as is in all of his movies, really captured the power of this film. Sadly, there is very little else to say about this film simply because it really wasn't complex enough for my tastes.
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8/10
A Very Historically Accurate Story Of La Eme Formation
eric26200318 August 2014
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Over the past few years, anything that featured Edward James Olmos left be with a bit of mixed feelings about the individual. There's no doubt that he's a very talented performer, but it's his film choices that gets my goat. But when seeing the movie "American Me" knowing that he not only starred, but directed the movie, I actually was starting to take him in considerably. Knowing that such a talented performer being held back by poor decisions, we surely won't find him being wasted by his own movie.

Based on the life of Mexican mob kingpin Rodolfo Cadena (founder of La Eme), it shouldn't come as a surprise that there will some dramatization being that it's a biopic and not a documentary. This movie follows his hard-fought life, this movie is as simple as it gets, the story of how La Eme started. Montoya Santana (who was in his younger days played Panchito Gomez, later played by Olmos), is a Chicano youth growing up in Los Angeles' Barrio section forms a posse with Mundo (Richard Coca later Pepe Serna) and JD Morgan (Steve Wilcox/ William Forsythe) and dubbed the group under the moniker La Primera. One day, they took a detour through a rival gang's hangout spot, they break into a diner. The owner, who live nearby to them, catches them and sends them to juvenile hall and JD gets a prosthetic leg. This further explains why Roldolfo befriends a Caucasian guy who speaks with a Latino accent and is part of their circle. These events lead up to the gang going to jail and the formation of La Eme comes into fruition.

The film stands out as a personal pet project for Olmos as he informs his audience about the dangers of joining a gang. He speaks truly of this cause from experience being born in the Barrios himself. And even casted real prisoners from Folsom Prison as extras to prove his points.

His choices of what he brings into his movie is quite interesting and very fascinating. Such examples including the opening settings of his interpretation of the 1940's Zoot Suit Riots and it features a city war between vicious seamen in the California area as they attack Latinos predominately clad in Zoot Suits who represented Latino pride which lead to friction between Mexican-Americans and Caucasian-Americans which was what spawned gangster life among Latinos in the California area.

The soundtrack was quite impressive too featuring an eclectic array of classic songs from the 1950, 1960's and the 1970's including Ike and Tina Turner's version of Sly and the Family Stone's "I Want to Take you Higher" and Latino group Los Lobos doing Junior Walker's "Shotgun" amongst others. The film is generally one big flashback focusing on Santana's story from his childhood to his prison sentence and his narration is crisp and very well detailed.

"American Me" will not bite you to get attention, nor will it annoy you in any way. But what it does is it'll tell a wonderful story. And even you root for Santana all the way, he's in no way by any means an inspiring hero we can idolize with. Even when he tries to become a better more likable individual, we can't ignore the fact that he is a thug and a brute who gets what he deserves. The movie can be pretty ugly at times. Not Scorsese ugly, but violent enough to keep our attention going. It's a bit gooey with the rape scenes, but it still contributes in keeping with the flow of the story. Overall it's an authentic and captivating film that has a steady flow about a subject never really mentioned in movies.
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6/10
Solid if unoriginal
Tostig6631 March 2023
The gangster movie is an American art form. This film was made with a lot of love and sincerity. It takes us through the life of a young man who turns to crime and ends up running a criminal empire. It shows the brutal realities of prison and like any good period gangster film teaches you a little bit about the world that you might not have previously known. For example, had no idea about the zoot suit riots of World War II.

The acting is superb, the story takes us through decades of time is truly ambitious. But the problem is the direction is workmanlike, and when you compare it with the best of the gangster films, it simply falls short at every level. The story and characters while heartfelt in their creation are nothing new. All of this feels incredibly sincere, but at the same time isn't really telling us anything we haven't already seen in better movies. Something a bit different, always good it just never elevates itself to great.
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8/10
Packs an Emotional Wallop
bubbazanetti26 April 2005
This almost qualifies as the "Goodfellas" of Mexican Mafia movies, although it lacks the humor and character development that make the violence wrought by Scorsese's goons somewhat palatable.

Not for the weak of heart, this is one of the more daring works of early 90's American cinema. Violent, ugly and (allegedly) based on true events, the film yanks you into a world that lifelong residents of Los Angeles (like me) have never seen. The film starts with the L.A. zoot suit riots of the 1940's as a backdrop (Olmos portrayed "El Pachuco" in the stage and screen versions of "Zoot Suit"), and chronicles the rise and fall of Santana (Olmos) who, along with his boyhood "crime partners" (the always good William Forsythe and Pepe Serna), becomes the overlord of the Mexican prison mafia.

From the get go, the viewer is yanked down to the violent streets of East Los Angeles, then it's on to Folsom State Prison for some of the most brutal prison sequences this side of "Runaway Train."

This film has its critics - some lambaste the acting as second rate, and some view the dialog as corny (the poetic voice over by Olmos worked for me). Personally, I noticed none of this. I regard this as a very important film that deserves to be seen, now more than ever.

Not quite Scorsese, but light years better (and more socially relevant) than the "Penitentiary" movies. Those who can stomach the brutality will be richly rewarded with a film experience not easily forgotten.
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7/10
No light ant the end of the tunnel here
valleyjohn7 August 2021
American Me is a well loved movie amongst the rapping community . Apparently it was Tupac's favourite film and many other rappers I'd never heard of and are probably dead anyway.

I'm not surprised because this is a dark , dank and depressing look at a Mexican-American Mafia kingpin who is released from prison and falls in love for the first time, and grows introspective about his gangster lifestyle.

I like prison/gang movies and I appreciated this to a certain extent but boy is is grim .

Right from the start we see marines during the Second World War raping a Mexican woman and soldiers attacking the men . Did that really happen in 1943 ?

Rape seems a constant thread in the film . There are scenes of male rape and sometimes for no reason and apparently three consultants to the film were actually murdered by the Mexican mafia because they didn't like them being portrayed as homosexual .

There is no light at the end of the tunnel in film . It's brutal and I actually don't mind that .

Edward James Olmos is really good as Montoya Santana and he plays his part very calmly as he tends to do , which makes his character more menacing in a way.

It's not a film I could particularly recommend because it's just so dark but I certainly appreciate the message that the director was trying to get across.
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9/10
Moving
bryanfeelgood15 April 2010
Edward James Olmos gives a great performance as Santana, and even a better job as a director. The story flow smoothly and keeps you glued to the action and drama. A real life account of gangs and violence in the Latino communities and life in prison. Nothing was left out and every scene makes you feel the reality of the character's hardships and struggles. Well done 4 out of 5 stars, a must see. The movie starts off with Santana as a young child and evolves with him in prison running the main yard in Prison. Every move and decision made in Prison must be approved by Santana. Once he gets out he struggles with the reality of what his life has become and the effect it has on children in his own community and family. JD battles with Santana about "showing weakness" throughout the movie. His ultimate move costs him at the end but brings life to his soul with his attempt to change and make amends.
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2/10
Queer Eye for the Prison Guy
juliankennedy239 March 2005
American Me: 3/10: In all fairness I have to admit I was expecting more of a gang picture (albeit a serious one) with Mexican overtones rather than a straightforward prison drama.

American Me is a straightforward prison drama.

Nobody in this film emotes and pass the K-Y jelly cause there is more guy on guy action in this movie than in the men's room at a Sex in the City wrap party. Add in the bathroom/drug smuggling scenes and you may be squirming in your seat for more reasons than a slow pace.

In addition a lot of older actors can play characters in their twenties. Even those that have obvious hairline issues (see the later Porky's movies) seem to pull it off. Edward James Olmos is one man who should never even try. He looks like he was born fifty. He also plays the lead with the charisma of a sullen rock.

In addition to the miscasting and sodomy American Me suffers from serious script issues. It simply takes at face value the characters contention that they are king of the world. They are not. It is one thing for the characters themselves to be misguided (as they are most certainly are) but the movie itself seems not to realize what big losers these guys are. Sure they are king of the cellblock. Hurrah, that's like being voted carny of the month.

A good first 45 minutes or so quickly melts into underacted pathos (Nobody emotes in this movie, cause they are all tough guys see.) and misguided plot twists (the whole taking on the mob bit was horribly done). The movie just keeps getting worse and worse.

Oh and Olmos's character writes poetry. Really bad rhyming poetry. Yup poetry and anal sex, American Me is one makeover away from its own Bravo series.
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9/10
Great movie
lelici24 May 2000
What a great movie. When it started I had serious doubts about this one, but after 10-15 minutes it started to fascinate me.

Fantastic play by Actor+Director Ed James Olmos, who is raped by a guy in prison and immediately kills him. This gives him a lot of status within the prison. He becomes the leader of the Hispanic gang there, and rules things in prison even after leaving it. Some very violent scenes in this movie, especially the scene at the end. I rated this one with a 9!!!!
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