South Bend, Indiana mayor and presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg; Graham Norton (The Graham Norton Show (2007), novel "A Keeper").South Bend, Indiana mayor and presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg; Graham Norton (The Graham Norton Show (2007), novel "A Keeper").South Bend, Indiana mayor and presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg; Graham Norton (The Graham Norton Show (2007), novel "A Keeper").
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Self - Host: ladies and gentlemen, my next guest tonight is a Road Scholar, navy veteran, two term mayor of South Bend Indiana, and currently running for President of the United States, please welcome back to the Late Show, Mayor Pete Buttigieg
Self - Host: [after Buttigieg receives a standing ovation and sits down] nice to see you again, thanks for coming back
Pete Buttigieg: good to be back
Self - Host: the last time you were here, people didn't know a lot about you at the time: you just got into the race, Mayor of South Bend, "Who is this guy?"
Pete Buttigieg: right
Self - Host: we had you on and when you left, I turned to my producer and I said "Wow, I really felt like that guy was giving me "real answers", what he really thought, he was "really there" because a lot of politicians can be very mannered, very "brightest". Now that you've been on the campaign trail, for a while, how "real" are you? Or your hand handlers are messaging you all the time?
Pete Buttigieg: [jokingly] it's all gone. No, I think it takes so much more work to be somebody they tell you to be and to be "myself." So far, that has worked out pretty well
Self - Host: how long ago since you declared, do you remember?
Pete Buttigieg: we started the committee in January, then in April we launched "officially"
Self - Host: ok, so we're about five months in right now, how has the trail been treating you? Because it can be rough
Pete Buttigieg: yeah, it's a lot of work but it's a lot of fun too, especially right now. So, this really when we're "building out" the "ground game." We were just in Iowa, opening twenty offices in twenty days and we're also going back enough where you start meeting folks more than once: you feel like you get to know them, like I was reunited with the kid who smacked me in the face recently
Self - Host: [confused] I'm sorry, what happened?
Pete Buttigieg: so, we're opening offices in Cedar Rapids, and this woman looks a little familiar, she's got this little toddler in her arms, and she says "Do you remember my son?" She says "His the one who smacked you in the face", I say " Oh yeah, I do remember this actually." So I was on the rope line, shaking hands, after a speech, couple months ago, and you know when I meet a little kid, a good thing to do is give him a little high five, right?
Self - Host: sure
Pete Buttigieg: his not quite old enough for a hand shake, so you go for the high five
Self - Host: sure
Pete Buttigieg: so, I did that and just mis-judged, the kid was not quite old enough to get the high five concept, and so he just whacked me and then he was just old enough to kinda know from everybody reaction that was not the right thing to do, he just curled up, he was very shy, and his starting to cry and I was like "It's ok, it didn't hurt, you'll be fine." Anyway, so it was nice to be...
Self - Host: [jokingly, impersonating what Buttigieg should've said at the time] I'm an Afghan veteran, bring it!
Pete Buttigieg: so, after this kid will have a good story to tell
Self - Host: at a town hall last night, the CNN townhall on climate change, lasted seven hours, what hour did they consign you to?
Pete Buttigieg: [after thinking it over] I think it was like the fifth hour, I was really impressed with the CNN folks: just how well the crew held up
Self - Host: how'd the audience held up for that long?
Pete Buttigieg: I think they swap them out every now and then?
Self - Host: [jokingly] hosed them down and send them back in. Last night in the town hall on climate change, you called climate change a "sin"
Pete Buttigieg: yeah
Self - Host: in what way is climate change a "transgression" of God's laws?
Pete Buttigieg: well, look I'm not out to impose my faith on anybody else but...
Self - Host: [interrupts him, jokingly] is this your Sharia law?
Pete Buttigieg: I'm Episcopalian and we got...
Self - Host: [interrupts him] oh, you don't have Sharia law?
Pete Buttigieg: our Sharia law is called The Book of Common Prayer
Self - Host: gotcha
Pete Buttigieg: there's a lot of stuff in there about the environment: there's a lot of stuff about stewardship and Creation. Also, to me environmental stewardship is not just about taking care of the planet, it's about taking care of our neighbor, we're supposed to love our neighbor as ourselves and the biggest problem with climate change isn't just it's going to hurt the planet, in some way, shape, or form. The planet is still gonna be here: we are hurting people, people who are alive right now, and people who will be born in the future. The way I see it, I don't imagine God's gonna let us "off the hook" for "abusing" future generations any more than you'd be "off the hook" for harming someone right next to you and with climate change we're doing both
Self - Host: [after the audience applauses] well, one thing that's sort of "interesting" to me is that as far as I can tell is that you are the candidate who is talking about their personal faith more than the other candidates on the Democratic side and the GOP has gone a long way over the last generation of trying to make themselves the "Christian party" or the "Party of Faith", where do you see faith "properly influencing" your "job" as a politician?
Pete Buttigieg: well, I think democrats have been a little "allergic" in talking about faith and it's largely for a very "good" reason, which is we passionately believe, when you're running for office, or when you're in office, you have an obligation to treat people of any religion and people of no religion equally, it's a basic American principle
Pete Buttigieg: [after the audience applauses] but at the same time, as we see some of these figures on the religious right "embrace" behavior and I think policy but definitely behavior that "flies in the face", not just of my values but of their own, then it reminds me of parts of scripture where there's a lot about hypocrisy, and I think we have an obligation to call that out and to speak about how not just the Christian faith tradition that I belong to but pretty much any religious or non-religious moral tradition I've ever heard of tells us it's really important how we treat the least among us, the most vulnerable, the marginalized, that we are obligated to serve the poor, and to heal the sick, clothe the naked, welcome the stranger, "stranger" by the way being another word for "immigrant" and what we're seeing right now in the White House is the opposite
Self - Host: [after the audience applauses] well, we have a debate next week, next Thursday night, we're live, afterwards to make jokes about whatever you said, give me something good please
Pete Buttigieg: I'll do my best
Self - Host: [after looking down at his notes] you're polling at about five percent nationally, ok? People have said "Oh, there's the top three, there's Biden, and there's Warren, there's Sanders," and there's second tier, no offense, it's not me, their saying it, I think your top notch but...
Pete Buttigieg: [jokingly] I think some of them are saying its "Tier One B", where they're at
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