- Joe MacMillan: This isn't about Ryan. It's um...
- [chokes up]
- Cameron Rendon: I'm just saying I don't think you should deprive the world of what you do.
- Joe MacMillan: Okay. What is it that I do?
- Cameron Rendon: It's so hard to bring about actual change. Real change. The whole world conspires to stop that from happening. But you bring people together. You create change. I think that that's really great.