"The Vietnam War" The Veneer of Civilization (June 1968-May 1969) (TV Episode 2017) Poster

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"War awakens a savagery in people." - North Vietnamese Army soldier Nguyen Ngoc
classicsoncall4 December 2017
Warning: Spoilers
There's a common view that states that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. I would state a corollary to that when it comes to politicians in the highest levels of government. It seems that they will admittedly hold a view among themselves that a situation is untenable, but in order to maintain power, they will say and do the exact opposite when it comes to the public. This was never more evident than in the prosecution of the Vietnam War.

As an example, Secretary of Defense Clark Clifford states his opinion of the war to President Johnson - "We are in a war we cannot win." Seems like a pretty straightforward comment, but Johnson refused to stop bombing in North Vietnam following the devastating Tet Offensive that took place earlier in 1968. It wasn't until a few days before the November elections that Johnson relented and stopped the bombing to give Vice President Hubert Humphrey a bump in the polls. But it was too late. The damage done by rioting at the Democratic National Convention and Richard Nixon's promise to end the war quickly earned him the Presidency.

For North Vietnam, the propaganda of Tet's overwhelming success began to fade after a few weeks because the people didn't believe it. In that respect, North Vietnamese leaders were playing the same kind of mind game American politicians were. And wouldn't you know it, Communist Party First Secretary Le Duan sent his own sons to the Soviet Union to attend school rather than face armed combat.

Probably the biggest shocker of this episode relates to events just prior to the November election. I recall a rumor at the time that Richard Nixon had sent an emissary to South Vietnam with an appeal to refrain from peace negotiations until after the election, with the promise that Nixon would be tougher on the North Vietnamese at the negotiating table. In his own way, President Johnson called him out on it in a phone conversation, but Johnson couldn't go public because the only way he knew was through illegal wiretaps he had the FBI and CIA conduct. That's a revelation I hadn't heard before, the kind of information that makes one entirely cynical of politicians who only have their own personal power in mind.

One other thing that the average person had no idea of. The war in Vietnam brought with it an unintended consequence you wouldn't have thought about. The amount of wealth that flowed into the country in the way of money and commercial goods from America only added to the corruption of government officials and military generals who were in a position to take advantage of this country's largesse. As the wealth trickled down to merchants and business people in the cities, much of the population of South Vietnamese villages gradually moved into the denser cities. Saigon's population tripled to three million since the war began. I guess you could say that the old adage is true, war is good for business.
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8/10
Nixon Moves In!
Hitchcoc3 November 2017
This series continues to present us with more and more items that were little known at the time. We are shown the events or the Democratic national convention when the Chicago police and the National Guard had carte blanche to do whatever they wanted to the protesters. Lyndon Johnson had decided not to run and this opened the door for Nixon. It turns out that Johnson got wind of some treasonous activities by our Trickie One, but could not blow the whistle because he, himself, had acted illegally. Johnson finally quit bombing the North in order to get all hands to the negotiating table (Square? Round?). It turns out that Saigon was so corrupt that the North seemed to be a bigger baddie. And now it was becoming obvious that there were extensive civilian casualties in the North so we weren't killing true enemies. And the protest continued and young men began to head for Canada. Families were being torn apart.
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9/10
It's easier to stay out than get out
cordenw1 October 2017
Talk about "truth is the first casualty"! Nixon lies directly to LBJ , LBJ knows he's lying and yet is perfectly civil to him over the phone. Can you imagine Donald Trump being that circumspect in a similar situation? So which one's the better man,the liar,the listener or the blunderbuss?

The dirty, stinking lying backroom boys will do or say anything to either remain in power or grab power.

We have LBJ complaining about the lying press (when in fact this time they were telling the truth) and we have Nixon trying to scuttle any deal by contacting the South Vietnamese in a way that could be considered treason. No matter who you vote for .. the Government gets in.

Another brilliant episode highlighting the futility of it all and how difficult it is becoming to extricate the Nation from the quagmire it's trapped in.

There is a sense that the end is nigh but when you see the scenes from the city of Saigon itself it's easy to understand why many of the economic beneficiaries didn't want it to end... They were making so much dough from the whole enterprise and there's no such thing as "enough" for greedy people!

How much more can the people take? In today's world it would be over as soon as the iphone battery ran out.
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7/10
The Veneer of Civilization (June 1968-May 1969)
Prismark1026 October 2017
The politicians know the war is not going their way. The press know they have been lied to. The American public is concerned that the war is still dragging on, young men have been drafted, the wealthy and the privileged have avoided the draft. The public support is being lost.

LBJ declined to run for another term as President, the Democratic party is in open turmoil as presidential nominees are openly critical of the war. America is divided on the streets.

In the days before the Presidential election, LBJ is looking for peace talks in Paris. South Vietnam think Republican presidential candidate Richard Nixon would be the better president for them and drag their feet in attending their peace talks. Nixon may had conspired to prolong the war, he narrowly won the election.

It is the political machinations that made this episode stand out, by this point it is almost a given that soldiers and civilians are still being killed in Vietnam.
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