Bill O'Reilly/Anna Chlumsky/Aesop Rock
- Episode aired Jun 13, 2016
Bill O'Reilly (The Factor (1996) and "Legends and Lies" (2015)); Anna Chlumsky (Veep (2012)). Also: Aesop Rock performs.Bill O'Reilly (The Factor (1996) and "Legends and Lies" (2015)); Anna Chlumsky (Veep (2012)). Also: Aesop Rock performs.Bill O'Reilly (The Factor (1996) and "Legends and Lies" (2015)); Anna Chlumsky (Veep (2012)). Also: Aesop Rock performs.
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Himself - Host: [after introducing him] thanks for being here, we booked you over a month ago and I know you guys are busy at the "real news" and so I appreciate you still being here tonight. You pay attention to everything that happens especially after a national tragedy like this one. What have you heard "out there" in the first twenty-four to thirty-six hours that sounds like a "good response" to you? If it was "President O'Reilly," who would you be listening to and what would you do?
Bill O'Reilly: well first, it wasn't a "tragedy" in the sense that one of our contributors said it wasn't like an Amtrak train derailing. This is the basic "war" that we're in and I look at the news from not only a "contemporary point of view but a "historical" point of view so I think in times like these and as Americans after the "appropriate" out pouring of grief which we've had and the "appropriate" care for the families involved which they're raising millions of dollars now and actually there was a line to be give blood that was eight hours long in Orlando today and all of that is "appropriate". Then you have to basically step back and say, "how do we solve this problem?" Because it's an ongoing problem, it's a war. These people these Islamic Jihadists declared war on the United States and the west. That's what they've done. Now they don't represent most of the Muslim world but there's enough of them to cause the world "hate" on a consistent basis, so that's the problem.
Himself - Host: well, you have "framed" the problem in that way but it can be looked at it in a different way. You can also say the problem is easy access to high capacity semi-automatic rapid-fire weaponry. That's another way to "frame" the problem.
Himself - Host: [while the audience applauses] and they don't have to be "either or," as the President said in his address they do not have to be "either or."
Bill O'Reilly: [interrupts him] they can deal with both and they can be both part of the problem.
Himself - Host: would you accept that both of them can be part of the problem?
Bill O'Reilly: I don't think the "problem" is defined as nearly as the Jihadist level by the American gun experience.
Himself - Host: tens of thousands of people are killed with guns
Bill O'Reilly: right
Himself - Host: and they have nothing to do with Jihadists or Islamic extremists and in mass murderers that have nothing to do with radical ideology. So this is someone with a radical ideology and is motivated perhaps by a Schizophrenic interest in believing a part of something "bigger," perhaps by responding to a call from ISIS to kill people in the United States but then he "had" the access to the weapon to do the "deed."
Bill O'Reilly: right
Himself - Host: so, it's both got to be part of the problem don't you think?
Bill O'Reilly: you have to step back and look at solutions to problems rather than lamenting problems that cannot be solved...
Himself - Host: [interrupts him] but if you don't agree on what the problem is, you can never agree on a solution
Bill O'Reilly: [after applause from the audience] it's my job as a news analyst to find a solution to the problem and the solution is not some kind of federal gun control at a level of...
Himself - Host: [interrupts him to tell the audience when they start booing] listen to what he has to say please
Bill O'Reilly: Chicago has the toughest gun laws in the country and they have the highest murder rate in any major city in the country, why? Because you cannot "patrol" twenty-four hours a day criminals and terrorists who have access to guns
Himself - Host: [interrupts him] but most of the guns come from outside of Chicago but they don't apply to the federal law your talking about
Bill O'Reilly: right, there's hundreds of millions of guns on the streets of America right now. Legal guns and that's not going to change because we have the second Amendment protections and our history is one of that we use weapons not only to get our freedom from Great Britain but also to forge the west and when there wasn't any control of "the law" and now Australia is the best example, twenty years ago this week a horrific shooting, almost like Orlando, there were thirty five in Tasmania killed with automatic weapons and they banned all automatic weapons and most hand guns
Himself - Host: [after applause from the audience] they reduced the number of weapons in the country by about half
Bill O'Reilly: even more than that and if you carry a concealed weapon in Australia, you can get fourteen years in prison. So we can learn from Australia and the gun murder rate in twenty years has fallen seventy two percent in Australia and in the United States. Roughly in the same period of time the murder rate with guns has fallen thirty percent and the shootings have fallen sixty percent. Nobody knows that our gun problem is going down not up, why? Now this is the "key" to solving the gun problem: why is that there have been mandatory federal sentences handed out to violent offenders including drug gangsters? Those mandatory sentences are now "under fire" from the left, they don't like them but they took off the streets most of the real "big time" bad criminals, they put them away. So my solution to the gun problem is this: Congress debates which guns are allowed, you can't have a bazooka, you can't have hand grenades, so it's perfectly legitimate for Congress to say "what kind of rifles should people be able to buy?"
Himself - Host: so, if President O'Reilly be open to the idea that AR-15 light weapons or AK-47 could be limited?
Bill O'Reilly: Absolutely, you bring out and say we believe these weapons should not be sold in the United States no matter what the states say because federal law always takes precedent, they debate it and define it in 1996, I believe they did stop many of the high-tech rifles: they banned them and that lapsed you should look at that
Himself - Host: alright, let's get back to Islamic terrorism.
Bill O'Reilly: [referring to the audience members] let me make one more point on guns because your "crew" out here is applauding something they shouldn't be, what we need to do here is every single crime committed with a gun in country, whether its Orlando terrorism, whether its Chicago in the inner-city drug gangs every crime is then a federal crime, no more local, no more state...
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