Yes of course those Christian's here would get up in arms about this fascinating episode but as if this doesn't happen. Because there are ridiculous cultish Christian groups out there and in fact they do talk up and about religion because SVU always puts all sides out there. Including all about examining the first amendment. When it comes down to it this is a rape case!! And a hideous one, imagine actually raping a Virgin to stop her being a Lesbian more likely to send her to Lesbianism!
6 Reviews
Curatove Intercourse : He said She said... God Said
yazguloner5 March 2022
It's one of the rock episodes. It is one of the dark gray cases from the puzzle episodes of season 18.
The one who calls sexual intercourse curatove intercourse.
If rape is tobe saved, beliefs that believe in unity with God or resisting Satan or a person to act on their religious beliefs are questioned.
God's laws and man's law clash in the courtroom.
Rock quotes: "Never underestimate the power of faith." "The road to hell is paved with good intent."
Barba's struggle with defense, Liv's efforts, the team's splendor.. Everything tastes exactly like the Rock I want to watch, Svu...
Guest actors, especially young people, show great performances.
The gist of the matter is that criminals and congregations can interpret God's laws as they please. He can commit a crime or use it as his own coercive power. But human laws are endowed with equal rights for all through scriptures.
The one who calls sexual intercourse curatove intercourse.
If rape is tobe saved, beliefs that believe in unity with God or resisting Satan or a person to act on their religious beliefs are questioned.
God's laws and man's law clash in the courtroom.
Rock quotes: "Never underestimate the power of faith." "The road to hell is paved with good intent."
Barba's struggle with defense, Liv's efforts, the team's splendor.. Everything tastes exactly like the Rock I want to watch, Svu...
Guest actors, especially young people, show great performances.
The gist of the matter is that criminals and congregations can interpret God's laws as they please. He can commit a crime or use it as his own coercive power. But human laws are endowed with equal rights for all through scriptures.
A trip to sin city
bkoganbing31 December 2017
SPOILER: For those who think that stuff like this couldn't possibly happen in the real world
or that these are just cardboard exaggerated stereotypes of real conservative
religious figures, I would remind one and all that recently in Alabama 3/4 of white
voters voted for a chaser of young women who ran on a platform of sanctioning all kinds of deranged things to gay people. I'm sure Roy Moore would have volunteered to 'save' all kinds of nubile female teenagers from the 'sin' of lesbianism.
Such a church is on a field trip to that noted sin capital of the USA New York City and Reverend Kip Pardue sees young Jessie Carter run into an old friend Sarah Nicole Deaver who left the Hooterville, Indiana community she came from and is grateful to see Carter whom she shared confidences with about their sexual orientation.
Pardue sends one of the young men of the church group Casey Cott into action with the mission to show this virginal young woman what she'd be missing if she went lesbian.
Sad to say for them that law enforcement in New York City headed by SVU head Mariska Hargitay sees this as rape. The frightening thing is that Kip Pardue sees the all fired greater sin is the love that dare not speak its name.
From where I sit the reverend made only one mistake, he should have waited to send young Cott into action when he got back to that part of the bible belt they inhabited. If law enforcement did bring charges against Cott he might have gotten a jury that would have bought into this.
This is no exaggeration. Beliefs like this come into being when people are pounded from certain pulpits that the worse thing you can be in this world is one attracted to the same sex. Sanction a relatively minor sin like rape to stop one from going gay? Absolutely the case, just look at the recent Alabama Senate race.
I can't tell you the hundreds of LGBTQ people I've met from small towns like this church group came from who fled to a big city as soon as they could. Just like Sarah Nicole Deaver. I grew up in a big city before Stonewall and bad as that was, I can't conceive of living in a place such as where this church group came from.
The episode could have been a bit subtler. But true, believe me every word of it is.
Such a church is on a field trip to that noted sin capital of the USA New York City and Reverend Kip Pardue sees young Jessie Carter run into an old friend Sarah Nicole Deaver who left the Hooterville, Indiana community she came from and is grateful to see Carter whom she shared confidences with about their sexual orientation.
Pardue sends one of the young men of the church group Casey Cott into action with the mission to show this virginal young woman what she'd be missing if she went lesbian.
Sad to say for them that law enforcement in New York City headed by SVU head Mariska Hargitay sees this as rape. The frightening thing is that Kip Pardue sees the all fired greater sin is the love that dare not speak its name.
From where I sit the reverend made only one mistake, he should have waited to send young Cott into action when he got back to that part of the bible belt they inhabited. If law enforcement did bring charges against Cott he might have gotten a jury that would have bought into this.
This is no exaggeration. Beliefs like this come into being when people are pounded from certain pulpits that the worse thing you can be in this world is one attracted to the same sex. Sanction a relatively minor sin like rape to stop one from going gay? Absolutely the case, just look at the recent Alabama Senate race.
I can't tell you the hundreds of LGBTQ people I've met from small towns like this church group came from who fled to a big city as soon as they could. Just like Sarah Nicole Deaver. I grew up in a big city before Stonewall and bad as that was, I can't conceive of living in a place such as where this church group came from.
The episode could have been a bit subtler. But true, believe me every word of it is.
God told me to
lor_10 July 2023
Warning: Spoilers
"Conversion" deals with a hot topic: first amendment rights regarding religious beliefs, that some six years after the show aired is back in the news given recent ultra-conservative decisions by the U. S. Supreme Court.
This is not a case of designing websites or baking wedding cakes, but instead deals with rape and homosexuality, and SVU's writers have fashioned details which put the underlying issues into bold relief.
The accused rapist and female victim are both members of a church, and the rape to them is anything but -they term it "curative intercourse" -the rapist claiming he was saving his girlfriend from the devils with her that caused her to have a lesbian friend, and that though she said "No" and resisted he was not raping her but actually converting her away from lesbianism. Backing him up was the church reverend, the real culprit here in his indoctrinating his parishioners to believe this hogwash and act upon it.
The way the case develops including testimony in court is riviting because even though the viewer can obviously see that the cops are right and the rapist and his reverend are delusional (and dangerous) the jury can easily be swayed to sympathize with the religious folks' sincerity in what they believe. The fact that the law in New York state regarding consent clearly supports the state's case doesn't matter -it's what the jury decides.
Ultimately our intrepid SVU team gets to the heart of the matter in exposing the reverend's bad motives and his hold over his boys, Segment is not preachy, but serves as a warning of how the First Amendment (and also quite clearly the over-broad Supreme Court's interpretation of the Second Amendment too) lead to abuse in false claims of religious liberty. For this particular case, the current passing of hundreds of laws abridging or denying LGBTQ citizens' rights is directly relevant.
This is not a case of designing websites or baking wedding cakes, but instead deals with rape and homosexuality, and SVU's writers have fashioned details which put the underlying issues into bold relief.
The accused rapist and female victim are both members of a church, and the rape to them is anything but -they term it "curative intercourse" -the rapist claiming he was saving his girlfriend from the devils with her that caused her to have a lesbian friend, and that though she said "No" and resisted he was not raping her but actually converting her away from lesbianism. Backing him up was the church reverend, the real culprit here in his indoctrinating his parishioners to believe this hogwash and act upon it.
The way the case develops including testimony in court is riviting because even though the viewer can obviously see that the cops are right and the rapist and his reverend are delusional (and dangerous) the jury can easily be swayed to sympathize with the religious folks' sincerity in what they believe. The fact that the law in New York state regarding consent clearly supports the state's case doesn't matter -it's what the jury decides.
Ultimately our intrepid SVU team gets to the heart of the matter in exposing the reverend's bad motives and his hold over his boys, Segment is not preachy, but serves as a warning of how the First Amendment (and also quite clearly the over-broad Supreme Court's interpretation of the Second Amendment too) lead to abuse in false claims of religious liberty. For this particular case, the current passing of hundreds of laws abridging or denying LGBTQ citizens' rights is directly relevant.
Bizarre
TheLittleSongbird2 November 2022
Have always been a bit wary whenever any 'Law and Order: Special Victims Unit' tackles any story that features religion heavily. Some of the show's episode did it really well, such as "Manhattan Transfer" and "Unholiest Alliance" for examples. Others didn't, and that is including this episode (which is one of the worst examples). While Season 18 did disappoint as an overall season, there were some good episodes, "Real Fake News" being the standouts.
One of the low points of the season, and even perhaps of the show, is "Conversion". It is not as if there is any bias against anything tackling religion, just that the franchise and particularly 'Special Victims Unit' has wildly varied wildly in its portrayal of it and this was a bizarre and less than tasteful portrayal of it. Bizarre and less than tasteful are things in my view that can be used to sum up "Conversion" itself. Not a complete disaster, but really not good.
Am going to start with the few good points. As ever, the photography and such are fully professional, the slickness still remaining. The music is used sparingly and is haunting and non-overwrought when it is used, and it's mainly used when a crucial revelation or plot development is revealed.
Did think that the regular acting was good.
That is on the other hand pretty much it when it comes to the praise. What immediately stands out is the the very heavy handed and downright bizarre portrayal of religion. This indeed has happened and still does happen in real life, which has caused a lot of offense, but not always in this overkill a fashion. This was like watching an over the top cartoon based on religion rather than any tactful handling of a tough subject.
Too much comes out out of left field too, like the out of the blue revelation of Olivia being religious. The supporting characters came over as over the top caricatures rather than real people and are amateurishly acted. Did find too much of the dialogue repetitive and on the preachy side, while the case is flimsy and predictable with little tension or suspense. The team seem disconnected and Olivia still grates with her "I'm always right and nobody else is" attitude.
Concluding, very weak. 3/10.
One of the low points of the season, and even perhaps of the show, is "Conversion". It is not as if there is any bias against anything tackling religion, just that the franchise and particularly 'Special Victims Unit' has wildly varied wildly in its portrayal of it and this was a bizarre and less than tasteful portrayal of it. Bizarre and less than tasteful are things in my view that can be used to sum up "Conversion" itself. Not a complete disaster, but really not good.
Am going to start with the few good points. As ever, the photography and such are fully professional, the slickness still remaining. The music is used sparingly and is haunting and non-overwrought when it is used, and it's mainly used when a crucial revelation or plot development is revealed.
Did think that the regular acting was good.
That is on the other hand pretty much it when it comes to the praise. What immediately stands out is the the very heavy handed and downright bizarre portrayal of religion. This indeed has happened and still does happen in real life, which has caused a lot of offense, but not always in this overkill a fashion. This was like watching an over the top cartoon based on religion rather than any tactful handling of a tough subject.
Too much comes out out of left field too, like the out of the blue revelation of Olivia being religious. The supporting characters came over as over the top caricatures rather than real people and are amateurishly acted. Did find too much of the dialogue repetitive and on the preachy side, while the case is flimsy and predictable with little tension or suspense. The team seem disconnected and Olivia still grates with her "I'm always right and nobody else is" attitude.
Concluding, very weak. 3/10.
Utter rubbish!
brimfin21 May 2017
Warning: Spoilers
The premise of this absurd episode is that, at the request of a so-called "reverend", a young man forces himself sexually on a young woman to try to cure her of her homosexual tendencies, calling it "curative intercourse" and implying he is doing it as a religious mission.
Let's pretend for a moment that this wasn't a show about sex crimes. Let's say the young man legitimately convinced the woman to have consensual sex with him in order to "cure" her of her homosexual impulses, because homosexuality is a sin. Sex between unmarried adults, even consensual sex, is still a sin – it's called fornication. No legitimate church would sanction committing a serious sin on the chance that it might prevent someone else from committing another serious sin in the future. No Christian denomination would condone such an action, let alone encourage it. Now add the rape element back in and you increase both the sinfulness and criminality of the act exponentially. In short, the premise of this episode is utter rubbish! No legitimate church would do it; nor would they stand still for someone trying to allow the act to be excused on religious grounds. So, I will refer to these BS characters as cult members from here on in. Not to be stopped there, the writers double down and imply that this young man is part of a "curative intercourse" ring again supposedly being sanctioned by the cult. I am pretty sure they were careful not to mention any denomination during the episode, knowing that they would be deluged with complaints from offended representatives of whatever denomination they chose to insult with this garbage.
I don't recall one positive statement being made about religion in the entire episode. The cult members were portrayed as if they were brainwashed and the victim's parents were shows as harsh and unfeeling. The cult's sleazy lawyer actually had the nerve to cite the "Hobby Lobby" ruling - wherein a Christian corporation was allowed to refrain from behavior that it considered sinful – as if it was some moral equivalent to their "free ride for a rapist" defense.
Not surprisingly, the episode concludes with the victim declaring that she will now embrace her homosexual tendencies. "God made me this way," she oozes. "How can I be less than perfect if I accept that?" Now, imagine a pedophile or a sociopath saying the same thing, and you can see how ridiculous the statement really is.
This episode had absolutely no redeeming features. It looks like it was written just as an excuse to made religion look bad and homosexuality look good.
Let's pretend for a moment that this wasn't a show about sex crimes. Let's say the young man legitimately convinced the woman to have consensual sex with him in order to "cure" her of her homosexual impulses, because homosexuality is a sin. Sex between unmarried adults, even consensual sex, is still a sin – it's called fornication. No legitimate church would sanction committing a serious sin on the chance that it might prevent someone else from committing another serious sin in the future. No Christian denomination would condone such an action, let alone encourage it. Now add the rape element back in and you increase both the sinfulness and criminality of the act exponentially. In short, the premise of this episode is utter rubbish! No legitimate church would do it; nor would they stand still for someone trying to allow the act to be excused on religious grounds. So, I will refer to these BS characters as cult members from here on in. Not to be stopped there, the writers double down and imply that this young man is part of a "curative intercourse" ring again supposedly being sanctioned by the cult. I am pretty sure they were careful not to mention any denomination during the episode, knowing that they would be deluged with complaints from offended representatives of whatever denomination they chose to insult with this garbage.
I don't recall one positive statement being made about religion in the entire episode. The cult members were portrayed as if they were brainwashed and the victim's parents were shows as harsh and unfeeling. The cult's sleazy lawyer actually had the nerve to cite the "Hobby Lobby" ruling - wherein a Christian corporation was allowed to refrain from behavior that it considered sinful – as if it was some moral equivalent to their "free ride for a rapist" defense.
Not surprisingly, the episode concludes with the victim declaring that she will now embrace her homosexual tendencies. "God made me this way," she oozes. "How can I be less than perfect if I accept that?" Now, imagine a pedophile or a sociopath saying the same thing, and you can see how ridiculous the statement really is.
This episode had absolutely no redeeming features. It looks like it was written just as an excuse to made religion look bad and homosexuality look good.
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