This episode of the Orville is by far the best one made to date. No spoilers but talk about a plot twist! Wow!
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Best Episode Yet
NorthwestDiver23 February 2019
Big shoes to fill...
bnevs1822 February 2019
Well, this episode is good, but its the second part that will be pivotal. This one set up a possibility of a grand awakening to the show, but it will be tough to make it end up well.
The real question is will this be like the introduction of (sorry, but its the most comparable) the Borg, or Species 8472? Its a great twist, but we will see if they can pull it off.
WOW
digitalzomby22 February 2019
Like wow, what a heavy episode. The Orville just gets better it seems. Some episodes are great and some are just ok but this one is like awesomely heavy. I don't want to say anything about it except you gotta see it. I can't wait for part 2!
Wow, what an episode!
speedman-9361622 February 2019
Taking it up a notch!
infinitezer022 February 2019
Warning: Spoilers
This appears to be The Orville equivalent to "The Best of Both Worlds" in Star Trek: The Next Generation. However, rather than do a rehash, the creators have managed to create this phenomenon at an unexpected time, place, and involving individuals that could not have been predicted without previews. A story about family and tragedy, quickly turns into exploration and diplomacy, and leads to mystery and betrayal. Set designs, world building, and pacing are also true standouts in this episode. I would have given it a 9.5, due to a child sneaking off a starship just as a plot device, but the ensuing scenes, setting up the payoff and eventual second episode completely made up for it. Congratulations to The Orville for their greatest success yet, in a season that has hit highs but has been dragged down by some odd choices.
The best episode so far, and it made me conclude...
robert81-122 February 2019
This episode (and hopefully the conclusion) is more Star Trek than Discovery can ever hope to become. It may be goofy at times, but this is the essence of ST, and so much more scientifically literate than Discovery, and on par with best "lession" ST episodes of any seeies. You go Seth!
The series has engaging the quantum drive and goes FTL at warp 10
AliensReservoir22 February 2019
I can't believe what i just saw as well as I cannot wait for the next week!
Wooow! This is a big step in The Orville series. You must watch this episode as it is a big deal the way the next episodes might go.
You might find the beginning slow and okey, but what an End, i am speechless!
There are few review with spoiler, read them if you want to know what's happening, but in all case expect extremely surprising revelation.
Again, I can't wait the next week!!
Wooow! This is a big step in The Orville series. You must watch this episode as it is a big deal the way the next episodes might go.
You might find the beginning slow and okey, but what an End, i am speechless!
There are few review with spoiler, read them if you want to know what's happening, but in all case expect extremely surprising revelation.
Again, I can't wait the next week!!
WOW, What just happened?!?!?
gp-4815922 February 2019
Just keeps getting better and better
jhart0522 February 2019
Must watch episode!!!
davidfowler8622 February 2019
Ambitious!
ranger1-750-28954922 February 2019
Dark
d.rust22 February 2019
Comedy, eh? OK, so a couple of lines about Mr Potato Head, and an uncomfortable request for cake: these won't turn a dark episode into a laugh riot.
We start out watching a cuddly scene with Dr Finn's kids playing a game with Isaac where once more, they lose. Claire and Isaac declare in front of them just before the mechanical life form leaves, that they are "seeing each other". They're all very happy about it when "BOOP! BOOP!", Isaac's lights turn off and he crumples to the floor.
Isaac shows no sign of being "alive", so Mercer asks the Admiral for permission to visit Kaylon to ask for help, which is granted. The quantum drive is engaged and the Orville treks to the system seeking assistance.
Seth MacFarlane has crafted a clever story on how we judge a people based on a single example, and how that judgment can be so wrong on so many levels, whether you're the Captain of a starship, a lonely professional woman or an innocent child hoping for a new dad.
He shows how much the crew of the starship Orville can care for a thing that mimics their own behaviour, they can accept and welcome the ultimate alien. a being who has been built from components.
And, as it is in our flawed society of 2019, he shows how a child's discovery, "a bad thing" in a dark place below a shining city, can turn our preconceptions upside down. MacFarlane warns us of a coming disaster: Artificial Intelligence may turn out to be Humankind's downfall.
We start out watching a cuddly scene with Dr Finn's kids playing a game with Isaac where once more, they lose. Claire and Isaac declare in front of them just before the mechanical life form leaves, that they are "seeing each other". They're all very happy about it when "BOOP! BOOP!", Isaac's lights turn off and he crumples to the floor.
Isaac shows no sign of being "alive", so Mercer asks the Admiral for permission to visit Kaylon to ask for help, which is granted. The quantum drive is engaged and the Orville treks to the system seeking assistance.
Seth MacFarlane has crafted a clever story on how we judge a people based on a single example, and how that judgment can be so wrong on so many levels, whether you're the Captain of a starship, a lonely professional woman or an innocent child hoping for a new dad.
He shows how much the crew of the starship Orville can care for a thing that mimics their own behaviour, they can accept and welcome the ultimate alien. a being who has been built from components.
And, as it is in our flawed society of 2019, he shows how a child's discovery, "a bad thing" in a dark place below a shining city, can turn our preconceptions upside down. MacFarlane warns us of a coming disaster: Artificial Intelligence may turn out to be Humankind's downfall.
Plot holes are all over the place
carlfhein23 February 2019
Warning: Spoilers
This season has had its share of the sophomore slump so far but this episode is the worst. I can see and understand what Seth McFarlane is trying to accomplish in this episode But there are way to many problems.
Lots of spoilers ahead!!!
1. Isaac is a robot with NO emotions and the Doctor some how keeps expecting Isaac to feel the same if not something in return. Some how this doctor keeps forgetting that Isaac is a robot that is incapable of emotions. Then around the end of this episode she actually explains this fact to Ty. Then at the very end of the show she forgets this fact again.
2. How come this "advanced race" can not detect the Orville scanning the planet?
3. How does Ty have the codes to the doors to exit the ship?
4. How come the kaylons can not detect a little child screaming out Isaacs name?
5. When Lt. Alara decided to leave there was really no big fuss? Yes, he's been seeing the Doctor (actually she's been seeing him and using him) and the kids but again, HE's A ROBOT with NO emotions! The doctor knows this and again she made that emotional attachment to Isaac and let her kids do the same.
6. Again apparently the kaylons can't detect a small landing party searching for a child thats screaming Isaacs name?
7. And once again the kaylons boarding and taking everyone hostage cannot find one little boy hidding behind a chair????
The Orville's 'Best of Both Worlds'
WKYanks23 February 2019
Warning: Spoilers
It was dramatic for me when Isaac just shut down.
It was sad to see Isaac go, to see the kid's reaction, to see Clair's reaction, to see Isaac's no reaction.
The going away party was great. Was that really Scott Grimes voice? .... man, he could find another profession!
Then, of course, the HUGE twist..... all I could think about was VOY: 'Prototype'.
Interesting how they set this table.... the planet could no longer allow for Isaac's species' (can't think of the name) growth? ... does that mean they had used up all the natural resources and they needed to find a new home? ... I do not think they specifically said that - but I think that's a pretty good guess.
Billions of skulls..... Issac tries to justify the extermination.... that was interesting to me.
Some kick ass Kaylon units.... a new definition of "head shot" ...no chance for the Orville Crew... Are those Orville crew members that were shot all dead? .... stunned?
Suspenseful!!
I think 'The Orville's' finest episode thus far.
Fantastic visuals!!
I have to mention how moved I was when the Orville was flying down to the specified coordinates on Kaylon. The music brought me back to Spock soaring into V'Ger in TMP. 'The Orville' has intermingled Star Trek classic musical themes in before, but none moved me as this one did. Well done.
It certainly will be interesting to see how they wrap this thing up. This by all indications is 'The Orville's' BoBW. The first part was better back then, here's hoping part II here nails it.
What to do with Isaac? ... how will this be resolved not only with Orville's crew but the Union?
I'll make a weak prediction that somehow the Krill get involved here.
Can't wait for Part II!!!!
It was sad to see Isaac go, to see the kid's reaction, to see Clair's reaction, to see Isaac's no reaction.
The going away party was great. Was that really Scott Grimes voice? .... man, he could find another profession!
Then, of course, the HUGE twist..... all I could think about was VOY: 'Prototype'.
Interesting how they set this table.... the planet could no longer allow for Isaac's species' (can't think of the name) growth? ... does that mean they had used up all the natural resources and they needed to find a new home? ... I do not think they specifically said that - but I think that's a pretty good guess.
Billions of skulls..... Issac tries to justify the extermination.... that was interesting to me.
Some kick ass Kaylon units.... a new definition of "head shot" ...no chance for the Orville Crew... Are those Orville crew members that were shot all dead? .... stunned?
Suspenseful!!
I think 'The Orville's' finest episode thus far.
Fantastic visuals!!
I have to mention how moved I was when the Orville was flying down to the specified coordinates on Kaylon. The music brought me back to Spock soaring into V'Ger in TMP. 'The Orville' has intermingled Star Trek classic musical themes in before, but none moved me as this one did. Well done.
It certainly will be interesting to see how they wrap this thing up. This by all indications is 'The Orville's' BoBW. The first part was better back then, here's hoping part II here nails it.
What to do with Isaac? ... how will this be resolved not only with Orville's crew but the Union?
I'll make a weak prediction that somehow the Krill get involved here.
Can't wait for Part II!!!!
The Orville at its best
lachlantang22 February 2019
Warning: Spoilers
Honestly one of the best science fiction episodes of any series to date. An excellent storyline which requires no prior knowledge of previous episodes while still retaining a strong and cohesive story. Full of twists and turns and thrilling plot details. Ends on a cliffhanger comparable to that of Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Best of Both Worlds Part 1. Must watch
Brilliant!
bettinahooper23 February 2019
I Spent most of this second season wondering MacFarlane had lost both his and The Orville's bearings....the stories were interesting each week, but much of it didn't add up.
Now it does. This is an absolutely brilliant denouement to a strange and kind of neurotic 2nd season story arc (how much do we humans want to believe in fairy tales?)
I can't tell you how very thrilled I am that I trusted in MacFarlane's genius and stuck with it. What a payoff!
Now it does. This is an absolutely brilliant denouement to a strange and kind of neurotic 2nd season story arc (how much do we humans want to believe in fairy tales?)
I can't tell you how very thrilled I am that I trusted in MacFarlane's genius and stuck with it. What a payoff!
Darker than expected twist that is well done.
xxxphilbluntxxx23 February 2019
Warning: Spoilers
You go into the setup on the planet expecting some kid of conflict, it is part 1 of 2 after all; something feels shady as the Kaylon are stalling for time on their answer to join the union or not, and they're building multiple buildings very rapidly on another part of the planet with energy signatures that could be a concern. The first part of the dark twist comes when the doctors younger child, then a couple crew members sent to find him, discover something. Then when the captain confronts the Kaylon for an explanation the twist turns out to be even darker than it seemed a minute ago (which is saying something because it was already pretty damn dark for a show like this, but in a good way). Given the spirit of the show up to this point I admit I was caught completely off guard, again in a good way. Excellent episode and I can only hope part 2 is equal to to part 1.
It just gets better and better
thomas-mcaulay-118-53441122 February 2019
About time too :-)
lordcaptainima23 February 2019
Holy Hell!
junkmailsucksballs23 February 2019
Identity Crisis
hellraiser723 February 2019
Warning: Spoilers
Warning do not read unless seen epsiode.
This is part one of the first two parter of "The Orville" and oh boy is it a big one as this is probably one of the darkest episodes ever.
I really like the humor in this episode it hits all the right notes for me. From that scene with Bordis whom wanted a particular cut cake, I found that funny because it's true even I sometimes want a cake that has a frosted decoration or two. The game Isaac plays with Ty and Sean which is cool, I'd love to know the rules of that game let alone play it, it seems to be some sort of matching puzzle game and a versus type as your trying to blow your opponents away. It was funny when there was a little of that conversation Isaac has with the kids, it's just funny how Isaac just always says some of the wrong things which makes sense as he still doesn't have a full grasp or experience on human emotion, much like any foreigner trying to understand customs of a country. But of course, one highlight was seeing Gordon sing a song to Isaac at the good bye party, it was funny because it's clearly a song for a female singer but kind of touching considering the content of that song and Scott Grimes is surprisingly a pretty good singer.
When we see Isaac's planet K lon it doesn't disappoint, it looks pretty much like Cybertron from "The Transformers" franchise, just looking how well detailed that world is, I honestly wouldn't mind if Seth Macfarlane directs a "Transformers" movie, a good one mind you (for the record the "Bumblebee" film was good). It's very interesting as in one scene we see a group of Robots are working nonstop on a computer which is a big wall screen that seems to have all different kinds of bars dropping down which probably represents a data stream though I wonder how the heck they can read the code.
Though also the place has a creepy vibe as we see everything is sterile and white, which reminds me of the classic sci-fi film "THX 1138" which is possibly another inspiration for this episode. And with the amount of silver faceless robots around it's much like with the presence of those creepy silver faced mannequin robot cops in that movie, and from the color of their eyes the leader whom has red eyes. From their mannerism toward the crew, I already know that something rotten is going on in Denmark or K lon for that matter.
I really like the scenes with Clare and Isaac along with the kids Ty and Sean. There is a touching Asimov like family dynamic going on, you get a feeling that things could possibly become more between Clare and Isaac but also it shows once again how you still can do more with the family dynamic. One scene I really like is when after Isaac departed, Ty was upset about it and Clare talks to him. Ty says something that I feel is profound about Isaac, how he is a person with emotions despite not showing on the surface, which is probably part of the theme of this two parter which may come into play on part two of the two parter.
But of course, in the final half of the episode, The Orville crew and we all get a rude awakening, as we see in a rather horrific scene that gave me a cold chill, there is a cave channel which turns out to be a bone yard of the entire human species of the planet. In a way this shows the consequence of what happens when Asimov's first law is broken or even if the Terminators ever won the war against humans.
We see now the Orville have another threat to deal with other than the Krill, as we finally get the full scope of their plan which of course is an homage to the Borg as their plan is to exterminate all life in the universe and assimilate the entire star system. We then see in slightly chilling fashion the Orville being taken over really like how we see the Robot's eyes transform into guns which I thought was cool and a unique transformation; despite the crew putting up resistance as the Borg always say, "Resistance is futile".
So now they have control of the Orville and their now targeting Earth (no surprise seriously why is that planet always numero uno on every alien's list), will the Orville crew find a way out of their predicament and turn the tables to save themselves and the universe.
But the big question for me is whether Isaac is really a turncoat or not. Personally, I doubt he is because that would be too easy; after all he was shut down around the beginning of the episode and was taken into the planet's supposed med facility. A lot of things could have happened in that facility, either Isaac's programing has been overridden by the forces of his home planet or his consciousness has been replaced by another program in his body. This could explain that one scene where he looked at Ty's cute drawing and then just disguards it as if it's nothing.
But also, I really like this character as he's became a favorite of mine I really don't want him to be bad, I'm really sick of the turncoat cliché as it's been done too many times already most of the time badly (the TV show "Andromeda"). I don't know, whatever the case we're just going to have to wait and see, till part two.
Rating: 4 stars
This is part one of the first two parter of "The Orville" and oh boy is it a big one as this is probably one of the darkest episodes ever.
I really like the humor in this episode it hits all the right notes for me. From that scene with Bordis whom wanted a particular cut cake, I found that funny because it's true even I sometimes want a cake that has a frosted decoration or two. The game Isaac plays with Ty and Sean which is cool, I'd love to know the rules of that game let alone play it, it seems to be some sort of matching puzzle game and a versus type as your trying to blow your opponents away. It was funny when there was a little of that conversation Isaac has with the kids, it's just funny how Isaac just always says some of the wrong things which makes sense as he still doesn't have a full grasp or experience on human emotion, much like any foreigner trying to understand customs of a country. But of course, one highlight was seeing Gordon sing a song to Isaac at the good bye party, it was funny because it's clearly a song for a female singer but kind of touching considering the content of that song and Scott Grimes is surprisingly a pretty good singer.
When we see Isaac's planet K lon it doesn't disappoint, it looks pretty much like Cybertron from "The Transformers" franchise, just looking how well detailed that world is, I honestly wouldn't mind if Seth Macfarlane directs a "Transformers" movie, a good one mind you (for the record the "Bumblebee" film was good). It's very interesting as in one scene we see a group of Robots are working nonstop on a computer which is a big wall screen that seems to have all different kinds of bars dropping down which probably represents a data stream though I wonder how the heck they can read the code.
Though also the place has a creepy vibe as we see everything is sterile and white, which reminds me of the classic sci-fi film "THX 1138" which is possibly another inspiration for this episode. And with the amount of silver faceless robots around it's much like with the presence of those creepy silver faced mannequin robot cops in that movie, and from the color of their eyes the leader whom has red eyes. From their mannerism toward the crew, I already know that something rotten is going on in Denmark or K lon for that matter.
I really like the scenes with Clare and Isaac along with the kids Ty and Sean. There is a touching Asimov like family dynamic going on, you get a feeling that things could possibly become more between Clare and Isaac but also it shows once again how you still can do more with the family dynamic. One scene I really like is when after Isaac departed, Ty was upset about it and Clare talks to him. Ty says something that I feel is profound about Isaac, how he is a person with emotions despite not showing on the surface, which is probably part of the theme of this two parter which may come into play on part two of the two parter.
But of course, in the final half of the episode, The Orville crew and we all get a rude awakening, as we see in a rather horrific scene that gave me a cold chill, there is a cave channel which turns out to be a bone yard of the entire human species of the planet. In a way this shows the consequence of what happens when Asimov's first law is broken or even if the Terminators ever won the war against humans.
We see now the Orville have another threat to deal with other than the Krill, as we finally get the full scope of their plan which of course is an homage to the Borg as their plan is to exterminate all life in the universe and assimilate the entire star system. We then see in slightly chilling fashion the Orville being taken over really like how we see the Robot's eyes transform into guns which I thought was cool and a unique transformation; despite the crew putting up resistance as the Borg always say, "Resistance is futile".
So now they have control of the Orville and their now targeting Earth (no surprise seriously why is that planet always numero uno on every alien's list), will the Orville crew find a way out of their predicament and turn the tables to save themselves and the universe.
But the big question for me is whether Isaac is really a turncoat or not. Personally, I doubt he is because that would be too easy; after all he was shut down around the beginning of the episode and was taken into the planet's supposed med facility. A lot of things could have happened in that facility, either Isaac's programing has been overridden by the forces of his home planet or his consciousness has been replaced by another program in his body. This could explain that one scene where he looked at Ty's cute drawing and then just disguards it as if it's nothing.
But also, I really like this character as he's became a favorite of mine I really don't want him to be bad, I'm really sick of the turncoat cliché as it's been done too many times already most of the time badly (the TV show "Andromeda"). I don't know, whatever the case we're just going to have to wait and see, till part two.
Rating: 4 stars
This episode redefines my notion of "That escalated quickly"
SebiTimeWaster24 February 2019
For half an episode it looks like a solid episode about loosing a friend that just can not reciprocate your feelings in the same way, then the not good feeling that something is not right starts to grow, and suddenly you look your friend in the face and notice that you apparently never knew him in any way.
This is how you must feel when you find out that your good friend is a holocaust denier.
WOW. I did not see that coming.
WOW. I did not see that coming.
A day late and a dollar short
horst6922 February 2019
8 episodes into season 2, The Orville makes a cautious attempt at entertaining the audience, even hinting at a possible turn towards a modicum of excitement .
The entire last 9 minutes of episode 8 were spent on this courageous endeavour, and about half of it was worth watching . Who would have thought the creators of season 2 had so much blood left in them ?
Unfortunately the majority of the episode was the usual relationship drivel and shallow moralizing, made even worse by an excessive use of child acting . And the humor still doesn't work, and the cast still acts like they got a raw deal on their season 2 contracts .
So nothing new really in season 2 land ; we can still look forward to the final minutes of each episode, when there might or might not be something happening - has become a bit of a thing now .
The entire last 9 minutes of episode 8 were spent on this courageous endeavour, and about half of it was worth watching . Who would have thought the creators of season 2 had so much blood left in them ?
Unfortunately the majority of the episode was the usual relationship drivel and shallow moralizing, made even worse by an excessive use of child acting . And the humor still doesn't work, and the cast still acts like they got a raw deal on their season 2 contracts .
So nothing new really in season 2 land ; we can still look forward to the final minutes of each episode, when there might or might not be something happening - has become a bit of a thing now .
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