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7/10
A film for the times
NS-movie-reviews29 October 2022
I applaud B. J. Novak for creating something that felt authentic to our culture right now. There is a lot to like about this movie. It feels artful and thoughtful. There are some excellent lines in this film that feel raw, poignant, and true.

For some reasons that are hard to articulate, some aspects of this movie did feel a little flat and hallow. Maybe that was the larger point? Perhaps getting a bit meta: "Everything is everything. So nothing means anything." There just times I was expecting to bit hit a little bit harder.

I think if Ashton's character had been utilized more, I would've felt more satisfied. He was the majority of the intrigue for me. He was really good in his moments on screen. Really, really good. And I feel like that could've been played with more, expanded in more ways. He somewhat represented what I thought was "Vengeance"'s takeaway. I would've loved more.
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8/10
It's not what you think.....
bostonct30 July 2022
I don't even know how to really explain this film without divulging but suffice to say it's not what you may think. It shows how today's social media society is quick to judge and it shows how wrong or shallow that judgement can be. While each character has varying moments on the film, the entire cast is very, very good with their timely execution of their insightful and sometimes comedic lines. A lot of substance in this film so if you're looking for a little distraction like Thor, DC Pets or Minion, this is not the film. If you want some sound acting and solid characters, Vengeance is worth seeing (along with Mrs. Harris Goes to Paris, Where the Crawdads Sings)
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8/10
Twisty, Better than Expected Fun
lwatson-3170829 July 2022
This is NOT Liam Neeson-style vengeance.

This isn't even an action-revenge movie.

It's a study in characters - of how people act in today's world. How do you spend your "time". It has guns, Whataburger, love, angst, drugs, and a heavy side of introspection. Everything's bigger in Texas, including the stereotypes.

This is not a movie I would've seen if it weren't for the "unlimited movie pass". That said, it's one of the best films I've seen this year, and certainly better than NOPE.

Twists? You bet. Happy ending? Depends on your perspective.

Vengeance? Fun. Definitely fun..
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7/10
People Familiar With, But Not Bound By, Rural Parts of Texas Will Love This
bryanmartin14 February 2023
This movie was really amusing to me and, I imagine, people who have a similar background.

I grew up in Suburban Texas, just outside of the major city of Dallas. Most all of our extended family lived another 20 miles out in rural towns. I loved visiting them, learning a different way of life, and the tribal isms that help build stereotypes of Texans and the South in general. Even as an adult, when I return from a trip visiting my extended family, my coworkers say I sound like my Texas accent got a boost.

I love Novak's take on coming into a culture that's similar but foreign. The little things that are universal across all Texas, and the things that are unique to small rural towns.

I don't want to give up anything in the review other than to say give it a chance and if you don't like it, bless your heart.
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7/10
Well-written story and dialogue
FeastMode4 August 2022
This movie is pretty awesome. It's very funny and filled with laugh-out-loud moments. And these aren't cheap laughs or sophomoric humor (which I don't mind). Most of the comedy is well-written and long-lasting (literally, remembering some parts still makes me laugh).

The dialogue is witty and clever with so many memorable lines. And they discuss and explore topics that really make you think. The premise is interesting and the story is intriguing throughout. And the drama really works.

The characters are unique and I think the entire cast does a great job. I especially want to point out Ashton Kutcher, even with such a small role. I basically have That '70s Show memorized and I used to love Punk'd. But I never thought he was a movie-level actor with any kind of range. This is the first time I've watched a role of his where I didn't see and hear Ashton Kutcher. His performance (and the writing) bring life to his character.

I really enjoyed Vengeance and would watch it again. I think most people will like it. (1 viewing, 8/3/2022)
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7/10
A sincere, somewhat messy creative vision
benjaminskylerhill29 July 2022
I will always appreciate and admire a film that is very clearly the singular creative vision of one person.

BJ Novak clearly had some things he wanted to say, and this film often feels like it was his outlet for venting his thoughts about humanity.

There's a lot of philosophical dialogue where characters disclose their feelings about relationships, regret, isolation, morality, etc. It's a film that covers so much thematic ground that I have to praise it for how far it reaches.

The film succeeds in being thought-provoking on so many occasions and the story is surprisingly heartwarming. I think the central idea upon which everything else hinges is that connection is what breeds caring. If you don't care about someone it's because you don't feel connected to them-not necessarily because you're different.

Unfortunately, with ambition also comes a scatterbrained tone in this case. There are so many jarring tonal shifts between comedy, dark drama, and ponderous dialogue. This also makes for a plot that feels all over the place and often directionless.

So many times throughout this story I didn't even really know what the movie was about because the characters' goals kept changing so often.

This is a strange piece of work, but it's a creative and original one. Please go check this out in a theater if you can.
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9/10
Heart Sees Heart
jisforjoe29 July 2022
Wow. I did not expect to be so impressed by this heartland-whodunit-comedy.

The writing is top-notch, albeit a little too polished in parts. The examinations of the legacies we leave behind and the urge to commodify or gain notoriety off the backs of others' grief and trauma were really well explored.

I also wasn't expecting the found family themes to be so well portrayed and for Ashton Kutcher to steal every scene he occupied.

A breezy watch at a tight sub-two-hour runtime. It might be in my top 5 for the year-top 10 for sure. Will definitely watch it again before it leaves theaters.
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7/10
Very enjoyable
UniqueParticle29 July 2022
BJ Novak wrote, directed and acted an intriguing story that is funny, suspenseful, sad, and clever. One of the best things is how heartwarming most the characters are! For a movie that's mostly about finding the truth there's a lot of brilliance and fun scenes. I think if I didn't have a regal subscription I probably wouldn't have seen in the theater regardless I'm glad I did Vengeance is very good, I'd still recommend anyone see it and it was nice how some older folks talked to me.
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8/10
A smug Eastern snob learns a lot about himself
steiner-sam2 August 2022
It's a current-day mystery with ironic and humorous edges set in rural West Texas. It follows an elitist writer/podcaster from the New Yorker magazine who looks into the overdose death of a woman he hooked up with a few times.

Ben Manalowitz (B. J. Novak) is A New Yorker writer and aspiring podcaster who lives the life of hooking up at bars multiple times a week and engages in empty intellectual banter with friends. One night he gets a distraught call from Ty Shaw (Boyd Holbrook) from West Texas, saying that his girlfriend, Abilene (Lio Tipton), has died. Ben remembers hooking up with her a few times and finally agrees to come to her funeral since the family believes it was a close relationship.

The film follows his interaction with the family when he learns they all believe that Abilene's overdose death was not accidental. Ben stays with the family, feeling the family seeks a kind of vengeance by believing in a murder myth. We meet the Shaw family, which includes Ty's two remaining sisters, a younger brother, Mother Sharon (J. Smith-Cameron), and Granny (Louanne Stephens). Initially, he writes them off as rural rubes but comes to understand things are more complex than he first imagined. He also meets a music producer, Quinten Sellers (Ashton Kutcher), who spouts theories on life's meaning that intrigue Ben.

Ben interviews the drug dealer, the family suspects, and the four law enforcement agencies that had jurisdiction in where Abilene's body was found. A couple of abrupt plot twists at the movie's end influence the podcast, Ben's self-understanding, and shift the film's concept of vengeance.

I was very taken by the film. The characters that initially seem one-dimensional become more complex as the story unfolds. I didn't see the ending coming. B. J. Novak was excellent as the smug Eastern snob who learns a lot about himself. I thought there were some false notes with Ashton Kutcher's character, but overall I thought the storyline worked.
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7/10
I Wanted to Talk about This Movie after It Was Over
Danusha_Goska7 August 2022
"Vengeance" 2022 is an intelligent, interesting movie that I felt compelled to talk about immediately after it finished. Mind: when I say that "Vengeance" is an intelligent, interesting movie, I am *not* saying that it is pretentious, or that it goes out of its way to be difficult to understand, or that people dressed entirely in black in Manhattan will brag about sitting through it. This is not a movie trying to be intelligent. This is a movie that is intelligent.

"Vengeance" is *not* a chore to watch. I laughed out loud several times, I also had to close my eyes tight during a suspenseful scene, and I cared about Abby, a Texas girl from a very small town who ended up dead. The movie felt so real to me that I wondered throughout if it were based on something that actually happened to the film's writer, director, and star, B. J. Novak.

"Vengeance" includes some plot twists, and it defies genre boundaries, so it's hard to give much information without spoiling it. Abby, a wannabe singer from a small Texas town, dies. Her brother phones Ben, a journalist living in New York City, and invites him to Abby's funeral. Ben travels to Texas and realizes he is in a world very different from the one he inhabits in Manhattan. He decides to produce a podcast entitled "Dead White Girl." His topics and themes will include the big divides in America and the opioid crisis. And much more than that, I can't say.

Again, I laughed out loud several times in this movie. The humor is so deadpan and dry I think viewers not paying attention might not get it. I also cared about how the movie presented the cultural divide between Ben and Abby's family.

The opening scene is two guys talking about their sex lives, which consist of casual hook-ups with no commitment. Novak has said that much of it was improvised, and there is a 17 minute version he will release eventually. Novak's interlocutor is John Mayer, a musician known for having had lots of hook ups. I walked into the theater not knowing much about BJ Novak and knowing nothing about John Mayer and I was able to enjoy this scene.

Ashton Kutcher, as Quentin Sellers - note the last name - a music producer in Marfa, Texas, gives a performance I would sit through the entire movie again to watch. Kutcher is mesmerizing. He gives not one but two speeches I really need to hear again. One is about sound; the other is about ... well just go watch the movie.

Issa Rae, a very beautiful woman, plays the part of Ben's producer. Her role and her performance are weak spots in the movie. She doesn't come across as a hardnosed, demanding, producer/editor. She comes across as the sweet and bubbly, eager to please lead in a romantic comedy, which she may play someday. Ben phones her from Texas; she listens to his recordings. The Academy now requires movies to include a certain percentage of non-white performers to be considered for awards. It's possible Issa Rae is in the film for that reason. That's unfortunate. Her role could have been more sharply written, so that she wasn't just the token non-white woman in the film.

Terry Gross, host of the NPR show "Fresh Air," provides a cameo voice.
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8/10
Rated Too Low: Sharp Commentary on the U.S. in 2022
claytonchurch125 April 2023
After watching the movie, I was really surprised to see that the movie was not rated more highly by viewers and critics. I think part of the problem with its low rating is that it requires a lot of thinking about society and the way society works, which is very philosophical. That's hard to do, and that knocks out a lot of people, causing their eyes to glaze over in parts of the movie. Hence, a lot of people enjoyed the movie, but the sociology of 2022 in America is not their bag, so the movie got a moderately good rating overall and not a rating of excellent. That's fine. The movie is very insightful as to how society is working in the social media, Trump, Biden, woke age. If you enjoy thinking about these kinds of things, you will absolutely love this movie.

This is also a movie about Texas culture, and it offers good insight on the culture of any place that is desolate, poor, remote, and without much opportunity. The story takes place in a remote area of Texas, and my previous sentence is not a comment on Texas as a whole, although certain Texas cultural elements are certainly shown in the movie. Thus, this movie has good elements that are common in movies about the culture of the economically poor in America. So, if you like movies, like "Wind River," "The Tender Bar," and "Nomadland," you will like this one, as well.

Next, this is a good movie because it displays the importance of individual people as human beings. It argues that people matter.

Lastly , I liked this movie because it shows growth in characters in a meaningful way. You learn something good about life from the movie. The movie makes you think about life, as it points to some important things, which makes it satisfying and worthwhile. Thoughtful movie. Bravo!

I gave it an eight, and struggled to not give it a nine. So, 8.5. Overall, the movie has a sense of loneliness (not a criticism; it intends that), which is the main reason I didn't rate it higher. That's not a criticism of the movie, it's just a reflection of my tolerance level for loneliness!
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7/10
"Everything means everything. So nothing means anything."
classicsoncall29 October 2022
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There you have it, right there in my summary line. I think Seinfeld would approve. The line was uttered by Quentin Sellers (Ashton Kutcher) expounding on life's truths, he even claimed that it was the defining truth of our time. If that leaves you scratching your head, don't worry. A lot of the film is like that. Take 'Whataburger' - a lot was made of the idea that it was right there. Sure enough, the Shaw's brought Ben Manalowitz (B. J. Novak) to a Whataburger, and wouldn't you know, it was right there. The story makes use of some absurd situations as Ben tries to negotiate his way among them while writing for The New Yorker and developing his assignment into a podcast. Enticed to West Texas upon the request of Ty Shaw (Boyd Holbrook), the brother of a woman Ben had a brief fling with who subsequently died, Ben suddenly finds himself involved in a murder investigation which turns out to be a sham. Abby Shaw (Lio Tipton) was an opioid addict and died of an overdose, a fact conveniently omitted by music producer Sellers, who brought her to an 'Afterparty' where there was no cell phone reception, and located at the juncture of four overlapping police jurisdictions that found it easy enough to pass the buck on any kind of meaningful investigation. I would never have seen the resolution to this story coming the way it did, and you won't either, take my word for it. Generally, I find quirky movies like this to be right up my alley, but this one kind of went out on a limb and stayed there. Where, you might ask? Well, right there.
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Darkly funny and all too real
DanTheButler25 February 2023
This satire starts out with extreme comedy and then goes to a deep, dark and real place. The writing was really, really good. I do wish it was funnier throughout as most of the laughs are in the first half.

There's more than one moment that isn't predictable, and I just couldn't see it coming. Even if I watched it again. Just when you think it's all fun and games the movie hits you with a reality check reminder that does kinda feel like a punch to the gut.

Novak does a great job with his character and storytelling. I may have to revisit this one, but I totally recommend it. It's an interesting take on American culture that everyone should experience.
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4/10
interesting concept, good dialogue, absolutely atrocious filmmaking
dudlesus6 August 2022
By golly, this is some of the worst shot composition I have ever seen. Multiple shots in which half the frame is out of focus and im so confused by some cuts and choices technically. Fine besides that, nothing great, but not well made, yeesh.
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7/10
Excellent Directorial Debut
simple_and_boring28 July 2022
BJ Novak makes an excellent directorial debut with this perfectly timed dramedy.

The film is such a great commentary on the world today, and as a Texan, I certainly appreciated the "Waterburger" love and attention.
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6/10
Awesome, clever, gripping movie
backup-5036211 February 2023
I wasn't really feeling it at first. Everyone was a cliche, not exactly interesting or original characters that had anything fresh to say... Kind of generic, even a bit boring.

But by the time I was halfway through the movie I was super invested. Characters grew and evolved, became more fleshed out. The dialogue went on to become clever and extremely philosophical, even.

Not only that, but I felt things I didn't think a modern movie would ever made me feel ever again, considering the situation we're in as a society right now.

Heartwarming? Wholesome? Who knew this movie would be like this. I sure didn't. But I'm so glad I stuck around.

Best 2022 movie by far. What a gem.

This is the "murder mystery" movie that deserved all the attention garbage like Glass Onion got. It's also the "family comedy" that deserved all the attention of every theoretical "comedy" movie that came out in recent years - all mostly vapid garbage.

If anything, this movie's fairly low (in my opinion) rating and undeservingly low popularity proves we're lost as a species, and there's no hope. If something this good gets swept under the rug, while every generic, mind-numbingly stupid Disney / Marvel / Star Wars reboot or remake or show gets all the views.

If I have to complain and take a point - it'll be for the predictable forced drama in the third half. Every formulaic show does this, there's always a moment near the end where the main cast has to have a fight, then reunite, and it feels forced, and in the case of an otherwise original and fresh movie - it felt highly unnecessary. And disappointingly predictable. Nothing else about this movie was that predictable, so my standards were higher for the ending. But I won't spoil it for you.

Oh, and the ending was garbage. Another 3 points for building all that up, all that originality, and ending on cringe. But again... I assume the normies will actually like it, and that was the point...

I don't know, I guess it's mixed feelings after all.
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7/10
Funny, smart, and deep
fatamorgana-4020829 January 2023
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This is a very good movie. Well written, funny and profound all at the same time. I had no idea what to expect going into this. I thought it seemed strange to see. BJ Novack in a movie that sounded like it had an action movie title. The first five minutes consisted of him and another guy acting like a couple of smooth-talking ladies men and I thought..."This might not be for me...." I'm glad I stayed to watch the rest. The movie is written to be funny and satirical, which it really is, but at the same time it is profound and deep... BJ Novack's character goes to Abilene to attend the funeral of a woman he slept with once, someone he knows absolutely nothing about at all. The woman's brother insists she was murdered and enlists Novack's character to help him solve the murder. The story that unfolds from there is a metaphor about the state of our country today. He shows, explains, and spells out perfectly the great divide between Middle America and the East/West coasts.

The ending was a total shock and caught me completely off-guard, as if I'd somehow managed to forget the name of the movie I was watching. This is well written and acted (Great job by Ashton Kutcher.... never thought I'd say that sentence in my life, but he was very good in this movie) The setting was great, capturing the feel of rural America perfectly. And the message that we aren't so different after all was told without a hint of the typical Hollywood, elitist mentality that we are sometimes subjected to... Kudos to BJ Novak for delivering a winner! Can't wait for his next movie!!
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9/10
Very well done............
owenpont-7080325 September 2022
I thought this was way better than expected. At first it was going to be aow hanging fruit comedy and just shoot out Texas stereo types left and right. But I was wrong, although they do use stereo types it is used in a funny way and not a rude way. It has a compelling story that got a lot more serious than I expected and was done perfectly. I think the messaging was nice and thought out which was something I was not thinking it would be as well. I would say this film is a lot of things. It is sweet on one end, it has sad scenes that really move the film, and the film has comedy that works on multiple fronts. Overall, Vengeance is a really good film that is definitely one of the most underrated movies of the year.
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7/10
Another witty bit from B. J. Novak
julieshotmail18 September 2022
"I don't live in a Liam Neeson movie" is just an example of the many jokes with twists in the world of B. J. Novak. "Vengeance" is his latest foray into dark comedy, using a backdrop of mystery and satire to offer us up some social commentary, 100%! We get very funny moments, mostly from the interactions among the family members. It is so refreshing to see J. Smith-Cameron play a role far removed from her CEO highness in "Succession." The sisters are a hoot, played by relative unknowns Dove Cameron and Isabella Amara who I hope will get more exposure after this movie. And Issa Rae delivers competently as always; she is funny while exuding confidence and elegance. B. J. Novak nails some witty writing and directing once again. He has interesting insights to share on the dystopian state of our world today. Unfortunately it becomes a bit preachy in one part of the movie, exhibiting his political leanings thereby potentially alienating some viewers.
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9/10
WOW! BJ Novak's directorial debut is GREAT
dlsaltzberg1 August 2022
It's still a small picture--by that I mean it isn't about Thor or Capt America or Fast and Furious #212, etc. It's about dialogue and wit and characters and fish-out-of-water and smashed expectations.

Novak wrote, acted, starred--impressive. Ashton Kutcher was amazing. It was fun to see Issa Rae again. The rest of the cast was consistently funny, thoughtful, dare I say--profound?

Two caveats: the ending was sudden, unexpected (in a good way) but a character acted OUT of character (NOT in a good way).

And...a pivotal TXT conversation wasn't on screen long enough (or I was sitting too far back in the theatre for my aging eyesight ) to catch important details that led to the climax. This is when I love streaming--I can stop the film, read the screen as long as I like, then continue the film.

The Chekhov conversation was brilliant!
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An artful and enjoyable mini noir for the summer from a filmmaker making his mark.
JohnDeSando29 July 2022
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The new film, Vengeance, will avenge your empty feelings about vacuous summer blockbusters. It is neither a blockbuster nor simple. It's a bit of film noir, appropriately set in West Texas, a black comedy laced with questions about how we create our self-identity and how we deal with cultural influences that shape our images. It will stimulate you to sit on your summer patio and talk endlessly about the film's meanings while some tequila makes it all go down gently.

Vengeance, written, directed and produced by The Office's B J Novak, who played Ryan, has less to do with catching the murderer of Ben Manalowitz's (Novak) brief girlfriend, Abby (Lio Tipton), than NY-City Ben as stranger in a remote town, whose values are not his. As the outsider in an arid land where sophistication long ago adopted the good-old-boy ethic (it is not SXSW), Ben tries to find his way to truth about Abby's death and please his editor Eloise (Issa Rae), only to find that his own ignorance keeps the truth at bay.

Although Abby's brother, Ty (Boyd Holbrook), enlists Ben to help avenge her murder, Ben allows that vengeance is not in his wheelhouse. Finally agreeing to the hunt, Ben is barely aware that of his original indifference to her death and his lack of sympathy for Texans and their culture, so different from his liberal-leaning NE. Novak skillfully roams around the differences between blue and red states

Ignoring the evidence that she overdosed, Ben is lost in contemporary disinformation, part of which he's helped foster over the years. In the course of his investigation, it becomes apparent his New-York-based podcast and his writing for The New Yorker could play a part in his growing lack of objectivity. He realizes reporting on Abby's death will be a boon to his media persona, affection for her long-gone and hard to reinvent. That her death might have been from an overdose is a liability to a much juicier homicide, creating a false truth in a modern world tuned in to false news. As for the self-record that remains after we die, damn the truth and do our own existential creating.

Ben's ambitions are a block to understanding a culture that embraces guns and opioids. Abby's participation in the latter skewers Ben's investigation and affects his embracing a culture that allows overdose. His very act of reporting on a culture he does not know, even though he has barged in on it, is symptomatic of a media out of truth control.

False news, indulgence in opioids, and the selfish co-opting of a culture are not restricted to visiting West Texas. I hope B J Novak will bring us more truth wrapped in small stories both amusing and instructive.
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6/10
Vengeful
RobTheWatcher31 January 2023
Vengeance was overall a decent and somewhat better than expected movie. BJ Novak does a really good job writing and producing this movie and does so at a high level. His acting and the rest was a little underwhelming though. The story is really meant to point out the some of hypocrisy and current issues in America. Although it was extremely far fetched, it was enjoyable and it all came around in full circle to make sense. It's a decent enough movie and is worth the watch. IMDb needs to honestly get rid of this character minimum. It's absurd to have us have to write this long of a review for a movie.
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9/10
Fantastic Film
bbrebozo4 August 2022
I'm an old baby boomer, and have always been a little embarrassed that my generation's classic films were all about us, us, us, and made us the celebrated heroes of our own stories. (Exhibit A: Animal House.) I'm delighted that the up-and coming generations are much more open to questioning their own approaches and values, as well as those around them. (Exhibit B: Vengance.)

Vengence is extremely well written. I tried to remember some of the lines to share on IMDb, but I saw it in a theater, couldn't take notes, and unfortunately my memory isn't that good. It's a comedy, but with multiple dramatic twists. And it builds to an amazing conclusion.

Ashton Kutcher's role is a relatively small one, but I wouldn't call it a cameo. Like Jackie Gleason's role in The Hustler, it's actually central to the entire film, even though the character is only on screen for a few minutes. The rest of the film is very well cast.

Loved this film, and I'm looking forward to B. J. Novak's next one.
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7/10
Heart sees Heart
ranzistheone25 January 2023
I am not sure why I picked it. Maybe because of Ryan from the The Office. Its written, directed and executive produced by the same guy.

But man, I have to admit I was really surprised. I loved it.

Its more philosophical than a light comedy and I loved the philosophical tones. And somehow a majority of verbalizing it landed in Ashton Kutcher's lap and he did a fantastic of job there.

A must watch for people who are looking for some meaning in a flick. You are going to love it. It was overall a light hearted and average paced movie with some amazing insights of our present culture.

Very well "translation" done here (people who did not watch the movie, replace translation with writing)
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5/10
I'm bored writing this review
bleu306 August 2022
Just got done watching it. There are moments that the movie wants to make us think are deep and thought-provoking but are not. That is not to say that there is still not a smaller degree to which it is thoughtful. Ultimately, there is a feeling of disorganization and no consistent theme on what all this is about.

Some actions seem unnatural and inconsistent to the main character (and to a lesser degree for some other characters), including action/s taken at the end of the movie. I won't say more about that because I don't want to include spoilers. And about the ending, yes, it is slightly surprising which is a plus. But it's not some brilliant idea. I was hoping for some bigger truth.

Other than that, there is comedy, but if you watch the trailer, you've already seen the vast majority of it. It's not the worst comedy, but definitely not something that stands out. And to be fair, that's not it's selling point. The selling point is supposed to be the search for some bigger truth and there the movie leaves more to be desired.
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