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7/10
A hot mess
Calicodreamin8 November 2020
Everything about this murder, the cover up, the trials, the people, is one big hot mess. It's hard to even understand how it all goes together. A good job by the producers to put the timeline of events together, and get the major parties interviewed.
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8/10
A shocking mystery worth of a fiction novel
GomezAddams6666 November 2020
When we think of the murder of a woman by five gun shots, the first thing that comes to mind is that it happened in a seedy alley in the middle of the night, not in a fancy Country Club for the wealthiest among us in the outskirts of a city.

The murder of Maria Marta García Belsunce seems as if it was taken out of a mystery novel, it begins with the discovery of a well-to-do socialite lying next to her bathtub, and the family thinking or assuming she hit her head on the tap and fell in, but what follows is so unfathomable it's hard to describe. The family assumes it is an accident, no one bothers calling the police, two doctors have different theories on the way she died, and without an autopsy she is laid to rest the next day.

But a district attorney did an autopsy and revealed that not only did Maria not died accidentally, but that she was also shot 5 times on the side of her head, and all the family is shocked somehow at this revelation

What follows is a media circus and some events worthy of a science fiction novel that you will have to see to believe. I will not spoil what happens in the end or if anyone pays for the crime, but this is by far one of the most bizarre true crime documentaries I have ever watched, NETFLIX is quickly becoming the home of these type of stories, and this is by far one of the most intriguing ones, filled to the brim with mysteries, conspiracy theories, family drama, but most of all it contains facts that fiction writers would never get away with.
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7/10
Body language
papirna_vila7 November 2020
Of people who participated in filming, is very interesting, all of the family has very restless movements. Such things say more than words. The widower himself first makes a statement that he never did anything illegal... And that adds something in lines like he did it, but was never caught. It's not a funny thing to say considering that he was a suspect for killing his wife. Also, he insisted on not being in clubhouse, even though that would be alibi for him, but then, Maria Martha's sister and her husband would lose theirs, being that maid of theirs said everyone was gone by 6pm and she cleaned up the table in living room. That would put them easily on the scene in the murder time-line. As for the motive... Who knows, it could have been anything, people are very versatile in that department, especially when rich and bored. This cover-up they made was a crime on its own, I can't imagine being in a mindset like them to think that everything will magically disappear because they destroyed the scene and because they feel that in their rich little community, anyone and anything can be bought. Like already said in the documetary:"If there is no justice let there at least be truth."
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7/10
Worthy of an Agatha Christie film (almost)
eryui6 November 2020
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It's annoying how people lie in front of the cameras thinking they are smart. For some, the acting is so obvious that if there was no need for "beyond reasonable doubt" in a trial, they would surely be doomed.

Some of the family is involved, while some acquaintances defend the accused, of course! The stepsister, for example, she is obviously very nervous and not at all natural during the filming, as many of them seem to have prepared the answers. That is not the natural way to react to such a terrible event, they are obviously playing a part and it's so much clearer that a psychologist would bet on this.

But most of all, it is obvious that one of the background voices on the phone call, is from a woman and that her words tell the true story. So, it is also a question of logic, that whoever covers up the murder is guilty and there are incontrovertible cover-ups that tell the truth here.

Diego Molina Pico, the persecutor, he's right on all the lines as is as the victim's old friend, unlike the others, she is completely sincere.
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7/10
Makes me thankful for the US justice system, warts and all.
jeannebodine7 December 2021
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It was a very interesting documentary but not for everyone's taste. There's a short line in the beginning from one of the interviewees that makes it known that the case remains unresolved. I hate that because recently. All I seem to watch is documentaries that never resolve the central question.

But the Argentinian justice - oi vey! Other that some muddled DNA there is no clear or even decent forensic evidence. And the way charges are brought without forensic evidence, witnesses or motive is quite frankly, scary. Then bringing in the cartels as motive without a scintilla of evidence. Instead of outlawing double jeopardy, it seems that an overzealous prosecutor can keep indicting people at various courts until you find one that will rule the defendant guilty.

I'm also unclear how people can be charged with cover up without establishing that a crime was committed by those same people.

Overall, I still enjoyed it and like my title says, I'm thankful for the US Justice system, warts and all.

*One side note: The English subtitles weren't very good as evidenced by many clumsy translations that used odd words and expressions.
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7/10
Unsatisfied but interesting
TabithaX17 November 2020
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Had this murder happened in the USA it would have been solved. What a crazy place. It is a wonder anyone survives traumatic injury or gets convicted in that country. I guess who killed Maria is up there with who killed the Kennedy brothers now.
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8/10
Captivating, mysterious and well crafted crime documentary
ahoora136 November 2020
This is a well crafted crime mystery documentary showing all aspects and all sides of the story as much as it can. The story begins with the death of Maria Marta and it slowly turns into a big mystery. From an accidental death to a gruesome homicide. An exceptional who dun it crime story in real life.

There are two different sides to the story and the documentary takes an unbiased stand by interviewing almost everyone involved and shows both sides of the coin. There are many discrepancies in the story given by the family of the deceased, but at the same time the story given by the prosecution has its own flaws which makes it complicated to find the real truth.

The documentary will leave the judgment to the viewers by showing most of the facts and evidence gathered in this crime. I wish that the documentary showed more footage of the courtroom, but kudos to the production by taking an unbiased stand and showing the events as it is. I highly recommend this documentary to anyone who's interested in crime documentaries.
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9/10
good
ops-5253512 November 2020
A deep ploughng , sincere, and bipartisan presentation of a case that ive never heard about here in norway. i do though have my doupts on the judicial system of argentina, mostly based on the unstable political and economical hardships, and deadserious coupd'etates, that made the word ''junta'' a common word for evil/bad , a relay of which branch of the military that wanted to rule. so how trustworthy things and coverage where back then at the start of the decennium...i have my doupts.

but this product is among the upper part of the ducumantaries' super liga, it entertained the grumpy old man, and had me filled with uncertainty till the end, just like fiction but from real life. recommended
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9/10
What about the Taylor woman?
ummajon200310 April 2022
The Taylor woman was accused by Maria's friend in court implicating the husband in a cover up yet acted like a drama queen at the trial denying it and criticizing the old friend as fame hungry --a totally ridiculous performance. The Taylor woman drove miles on the night of the murder to get the fake death certificate. The Taylor woman was accused of having ties to Mexican drug cartels. Why was none of this investigated?

There is no evidence for motive by Maria's husband.

What about the missing money from the charity? Interrupted burglary is the most obvious motive.

Other than that, the documentary director should have kept the interviews close up-- the full shots of those big men "man-spreading" their legs was distracting as hell.
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3/10
Highly interesting case but...
cakyolcu7 December 2020
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The case is highly interesting and have several twists but unfortunately the narrative of the documentary is so poor. Even the simplest questions are left unanswered. E.g. Maria Marta was shot five times in the head and she was living in a high security compound. Did nobody hear the shots? No neighbours? No security guards? How it is possible? Such a waste of case due to the poor nature of the documentary.
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10/10
one of the best
uktiberiu7 November 2020
4h of your life you will never forget! one of the best crime show i ever seen, and i have seen a lot trust me.
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8/10
Loved it!
tesi-682748 November 2020
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Kind of a telenovela at first to catch your eye on the first ~episode~. And I think if really unfair for María Marta to keep her crimen unresolved. Make the argentinian justice to see the right path and catch the killers.
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8/10
A very peculiar family.
ikeppl-17 November 2020
People mostly worried for the prosecution not following their own line of investigation i.e. finding atrocious that justice primary precept should be independent. Someone did it and some are covering him.
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1/10
Wasted time
florea_roxana6 July 2021
Just watch episode 1 introduction to the story and last 20 minutes of episode 4...
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8/10
Interesting, and well done
rimaggio2 December 2020
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First of all, if you are not a Spanish speaker, you'll not begin to appreciate it. And if you haven't lived in cultures like Argentina's, you'll never understand the undercurrents at play. From a documentary standpoint I think it's excellent. Using the real characters narrating and re-enacting real situations was very well done. The "plot", well that is something else. It's a real life story with no happy ending, as a matter of fact, no ending at all.
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8/10
Carmel: Who Killed Maria Marta?
Tweekums16 October 2021
In October 2002 María Marta García Belsunce was found dead in the bathroom of her house in an exclusive gated community outside Buenos Aires. Her husband reported that she was injured; he assumed she'd banged her head on a beam and fallen into the bath. This theory was initially accepted by the authorities but due to certain irregularities further checks are made on her body... it is soon found that what happened could not have been an accident; it is a clear case of murder. The alibis of many of those close to her are shaky or clearly untrue and the destruction of evidence could be considered suspicious... or just people cleaning up after what they think was a tragic accident. Prosecutor Diego Molina Pico determines to find the truth and bring the guilty to justice.

Not being Argentinian I'd never heard of this case; indeed when I started watching I thought I was about to see a crime drama rather than a documentary! Early on I was unsure the case could possibly justify four episodes but once we learn the truth of how Maria Marta dies it becomes gripping. All those involved give their sides of the story. They sound plausible and my opinion as to who did what changed more than once. The resolution might not be as definite as one might want but a documentary can't be expected to provide answers to questions when the truth has yet to emerge. Overall an interesting documentary.

These comments are based on watching the series in Spanish with English subtitles.
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8/10
Really good!
Guanche4824 September 2021
This documentary is not a waste of time at all, it is very well done and quite detailed. The cover-up story smells pretty bad, but I still have doubts.

Is it possible to make so many mistakes in a moment of extreme panic? Doubts doubts doubts... In short, if you like documentaries about crimes in real life, don't miss it. Entertaining and very well done.
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1/10
Subtitles were problematic
monikaquinn-0058821 November 2020
Sometimes there were subtitles and sometimes there were not. Some flashed for a split second not allowing enough time to read. Onerous. Unfortunately, I couldn't follow and gave up after 40 minutes.
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5/10
Confusing beginning
gallagherkellie17 November 2020
I lasted 30 minutes. There were so many different people and I couldn't keep up with who was who as I was watching with subtitles. I watch a lot of subtitle shows but this became too confusing for me.
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1/10
A load of c...
peterehler8 November 2020
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A total mess from beginning to end. But maybe that's the way the Argentinian judicial system works in reality. De todas maneras es una serie ridícula. Terminas sabiendo lo mismo que cuando empezaste.
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2/10
Yawn, yawn and more yawn
kaosridder8 November 2020
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Someone has an accident, family refuses to accept it and surprisingly killer is never found. It is of course sad on many levels, may she rest in peace, but it's hardly interesting to anyone but the family and mayhaps to those who knew this family one way or another. Sometimes the dead should be left to sleep in peace.
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1/10
The guay who talk Duggan
juan_moran11 November 2020
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She is the worst journalist in history, he made a book where he says that a murder was a suicide, he is a useless unpresentable, do not be fools, that guy is filth, he speaks to advertise a book on this case, where he also shows his futility.
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4/10
Why did they chose that lousy "reporter"?
MidoriAi21 September 2022
It was mildly interesting, nothing new really, any youtuber could have done that, despite the inability of having all the family members at their disposal, it added no more info than what we already knew. Don't know why they chose this crime instead of the one of "Nora Dalmaso" or "Natalia Fratichelli". Those were far more interesting.

The thing is... why did they chose that air headed for a reporter?? It is the kind of ridicule clown puppet reporter of massive media that you can find in any air TV news. It was intorable to see. I really want to give this a 1 because of him. For people that don't know him you wouldn't understand, but believe me, he's super lame.
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